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What else can be done to defeat Trump in November other than just telling people "vote"? (lemmy.world)

submitted 4 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 89 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Fairly successful strategy I've been using lately is to out-crazy the red team and feed em their own medicine. No one here needs to be told the libertarian party is just Far Right Lite™, but do you know their selling points? Cuz there is no chance in HELL I'll be able to convince a Trumpanzee to vote for Biden, but I have been able to steer a handful of votes away from Trump and toward Chase Oliver - usually goes down like this: MAGAt will open the conversation by bitching about someone on the blue team - such as Hillary and her emails. I'll AGREE with them, but lump her and Trump into the same category... "Idk how they get away with sending classified data on a private email server or printing it out and hauling boxes of it to their private residence. If I did hundredth of the crime Trump or Hillary committed, I'd spend the rest of my life in jail!". Bitch about how both parties are doing the bare minimum just to stay in power etc; then start pitching 3rd as an alternative option.

'Both sides' em, and change their vote to "not trump" by pitching whichever 3rd most closely aligns with their impressionability (which is pretty much always the LP). Put the spoiler effect to good use.

And be weary of folks doing the same to you, especially here on Lemmy with all the 'genocide Joe' shit or encouraging apathy because of the shit debate.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And be weary of folks doing the same to you, especially here on Lemmy with all the 'genocide Joe' shit or encouraging apathy because of the shit debate.

I'm already quite weary of that!

("Weary" means tired; you probably meant "wary" which means cautious)

[–] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm weary and wary of all this.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Don't worry.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Came in to say this lol. Previous poster is right on my intent and correction, but god damn am I tired of this Nazi shit.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Poor you. You think Biden's victims are weary? He's killed up to one hundred thousand innocent people in agonising ways, and you're weary of him being described as what he is.

Shame on you.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

So, Trump is better? Yeah, we know he sucks. We also know Trump is far, far worse. But you know this, don't you?

What is your plan, exactly? By not voting Biden, you help Trump, and he WILL directly cause far more death and suffering.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And be weary of folks doing the same to you, especially here on Lemmy with all the ‘genocide Joe’ shit

You've seen the broken, burnt, limbless and decapitated bodies of twenty-thousand plus dead children, live-tweeted into your living room for nine months and it isn’t enough for you to stop supporting the man principally responsible for it.

You’re not "defeating fascism", you are a fascist.

[+] gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org -6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

at least I’m not a Russian rent boy.

You think this is worse than being a genocidal fascist. Says everything.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 4 months ago

Genocide-collaborator liberals and unaddressed homophobia, name a more iconic combo

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Backing genocide isn't better.

There is no harm-reduction past a certain point, there is just throwing vulnerable people under the bus to save yourself.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I honestly have no idea what the logic is supposed to be here?

Are we supposed to be so virtuous that we allow Republicans to kill all of us just so we die with the Palestinians that no matter who we elect will die!? It makes absolutely no sense.

We can talk in 2028 when we actually have a say again in who is running, but as it stands now we're stuck with who is up there now.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

No, we're not.

The convention hasn't happened yet.

Finally, the logic is simple. Biden is a genocidal fascist. If you're afraid that we will live in a fascist state if Trump is elected, then my answer is we already do.

If Trump is elected and goes full fascist, what do you plan on doing? Whatever it is, you should already be doing it.

Are we supposed to be so virtuous that we allow Republicans to kill all of us just so we die with the Palestinians that no matter who we elect will die!? It makes absolutely no sense.

Resisting fascism and genocide isn't about virtue. It's about survival. You've been conned into believing that if you just vote for the lesser genocidal fascist, then you or whatever oppressed group you identify with will be fine. You will not.

This well known poem

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

is about you.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Are we supposed to be so virtuous that we allow Republicans to kill all of us just so we die with the Palestinians that no matter who we elect will die!?

Translation: "I've already acquiesced to the idea that one way or the other, the flag I eagerly uplift is going to literally inflict genocide upon a sovereign nation for natural gas resources and the allowance of an illegitimate, blatantly-supremacist nationstate to build itself atop those sovereign bodies the exact same way Amerika did to the natives, and I see nothing wrong with that so long as my comfort is preserved"

You and everyone like you fucking disgust me. Death to the settler empire, worse to those who uplift it.

We can talk in 2028 when we actually have a say again in who is running,

"just one more genocider guys I swear, just one more mass murderer; just four more years of settler bullshit" y'all run this exact same play every four fucking years like clockwork you disgust me. I can smell the compatibility on you you dog

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh fuck off. I have no real options here. I vote against the establishment asshole every primary I get.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Do you organize with an actual party with revolutionary (not reformist) politics? Have you ever cut a check for a political prisoner's bond, bail, or commissary? Perform any kind of community mutual aid? If not, this "oh fuck off" is petulance as impotent as the only thing you claim you do, and deeply unserious as far as any real response could be considered.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago

So you recognise that the system is the problem. You even think there's a gun to your head forcing you to participate. You don't need to take part in it. Taking part of choosing complicity.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 months ago

What else do you call someone complicit in the genocide of a sovereign nation for the sole purpose of furthering a blatantly-supremacist regime? Other than Amerikan, I mean?