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What else can be done to defeat Trump in November other than just telling people "vote"? (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Backing genocide isn't better.

There is no harm-reduction past a certain point, there is just throwing vulnerable people under the bus to save yourself.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I honestly have no idea what the logic is supposed to be here?

Are we supposed to be so virtuous that we allow Republicans to kill all of us just so we die with the Palestinians that no matter who we elect will die!? It makes absolutely no sense.

We can talk in 2028 when we actually have a say again in who is running, but as it stands now we're stuck with who is up there now.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

No, we're not.

The convention hasn't happened yet.

Finally, the logic is simple. Biden is a genocidal fascist. If you're afraid that we will live in a fascist state if Trump is elected, then my answer is we already do.

If Trump is elected and goes full fascist, what do you plan on doing? Whatever it is, you should already be doing it.

Are we supposed to be so virtuous that we allow Republicans to kill all of us just so we die with the Palestinians that no matter who we elect will die!? It makes absolutely no sense.

Resisting fascism and genocide isn't about virtue. It's about survival. You've been conned into believing that if you just vote for the lesser genocidal fascist, then you or whatever oppressed group you identify with will be fine. You will not.

This well known poem

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

is about you.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Are we supposed to be so virtuous that we allow Republicans to kill all of us just so we die with the Palestinians that no matter who we elect will die!?

Translation: "I've already acquiesced to the idea that one way or the other, the flag I eagerly uplift is going to literally inflict genocide upon a sovereign nation for natural gas resources and the allowance of an illegitimate, blatantly-supremacist nationstate to build itself atop those sovereign bodies the exact same way Amerika did to the natives, and I see nothing wrong with that so long as my comfort is preserved"

You and everyone like you fucking disgust me. Death to the settler empire, worse to those who uplift it.

We can talk in 2028 when we actually have a say again in who is running,

"just one more genocider guys I swear, just one more mass murderer; just four more years of settler bullshit" y'all run this exact same play every four fucking years like clockwork you disgust me. I can smell the compatibility on you you dog

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Oh fuck off. I have no real options here. I vote against the establishment asshole every primary I get.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Do you organize with an actual party with revolutionary (not reformist) politics? Have you ever cut a check for a political prisoner's bond, bail, or commissary? Perform any kind of community mutual aid? If not, this "oh fuck off" is petulance as impotent as the only thing you claim you do, and deeply unserious as far as any real response could be considered.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago

So you recognise that the system is the problem. You even think there's a gun to your head forcing you to participate. You don't need to take part in it. Taking part of choosing complicity.