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80 percent of people globally want stronger climate action by governments according to new survey | University of Oxford (www.ox.ac.uk)
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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Were ANY of those elections solely about climate?

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

So 80% want stronger climate action? But not enough to vote for green parties, and even not enough to not vote for anti-climate action parties?

Using the US as example and assuming the Dem/Rep split is about 50/50: if all Dem voters want "stronger climate action", then that means 30% of Rep voters are voting for anti-climate policy while claiming to want stronger climate action.

Sounds to me like those 80% don't really know how bad the issue is or how much needs to be done. Which means they are lying to themselves or to others, and this number is actually meaningless. That's the point the user above you is making, and it seems you agree.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or just that they rate other issues like cost of living higher.

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And so they vote republican?

Either way, not much else is gonna matter when the planet is too hot to live on, and entire Islands full of people go underwater, and no other country is willing to take in the refugees.

Sorry if I sound so evangelical about this shit, but that's because I'm fucking surrounded by these "80% who total care" people, and I see how they live their lives and the decisions they make. It's fucking lip service and pushing of the responsibly on to other people while hoping you don't have to make any changes in your life. Or, at best, it's complete fucking ignorance.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Not that the 80% figure was just about the US, but last I looked, Americans voted Dems the last two elections. I think you've probably identified the issue thou: there's a difference between saying you care and caring enough to do anything about it personally