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Maps and documents recovered from the bodies of Hamas attackers reveal a coordinated plan to target children and take hostages inside an Israeli village near Gaza.

Documents exclusively obtained by NBC News show that Hamas created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth center in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa'ad, to "kill as many people as possible," seize hostages and quickly move them into the Gaza Strip.

The attack plans, which are labeled "top secret" in Arabic, appear to be orders for two highly trained Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians, including children, gather. Israeli authorities are still determining the death toll in Kfar Sa'ad.

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[–] keropoktasen@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And of course hamas sympathizers are going to rebuff this evidence as 'another lies'.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm impressed by Hamas having a documentation classification system and documentation process. Most terrorist organizations specifically don't write things down because it makes it easier to stop them. So organized!

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

They control the government of a large body of people. They're very organized. Most terrorist organizations are. They have to be. They are "disadvantaged" with less resources. If you have a job you probably know the concept of having to "do more with less"

[–] Fades@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Bruh putting the words top secret (aka don’t share it around) doesn’t mean they have a document classification system

Way to miss the forest for the trees lmao

You seriously thing in 20 goddamn 23 that people in Iran and Palestine don’t have access to maps and the mental wherewithal to tell their boys not to pass around the battle plans?

They aren’t dumb, I don’t know why you’re so fucking set on framing the Palestinians as morons. Shame on you

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think you miss the point. The point is that the documents are clearly fake. Hamas are not sitting there printing full color battle plans labeled top secret, gently folding them, and taking them to the front line.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Define Hamas sympathizers? Do you mean those that support Palestine?

[–] transistor@lemdro.id 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. He meant those who support Hamas

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I have yet to find a single instance of someone on here supporting Hamas, which is why I asked.

Edit: How do you know what he meant?

[–] redimk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago

How do you know what he meant?

Because he said "Hamas sympathizers" in lieu of "Palestinian sympathizers".

[–] threegnomes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've seen them. Even one of the devs is one

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

This schizo hate fest isn’t worth the burning of calories.

[–] Sowhatever@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh boy, look at any post from hexbear or lemmygrad. No holds barred supporting Hamas, killing of civilians and terrorism.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, but both those sites are filled with edgelords and paid trolls/shills, So its not exactly fair use those places as points of facts/sources.

Hell, 4chan is more reputable.

[–] meat_popsicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

There really is no true Scotsman…

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You keep drinkin that koolaid, bro.

I'm sure it'll do wonders for you.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

singe instance on here supporting Hamas

How about lemmy.ml? Just because YOU haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Tf

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m sure they exist, I just haven’t seen it. And what of it? Those that support the IDF and Israel’s fascist government are just as bad, so…

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe, but that won't mean they're wrong, nor does it mean that they're right.

Be skeptical of any evidence coming out of an active warzone.You don't have to dismiss it outright, but you also shouldn't accept it outright.

There many domains within modern warfare, including the information domain.

Israel, Hamas, Iran, and all of their supporters and proxies, are actively shaping the information domain, both online, and on the ground.

As an example from the other side, you should keep an eye for the Teddy bears in pictures of destroyed buildings in Gaza. Everything is turned to rubble, but Teddy bears and children's toys have a mystical ability to remain intact, on top of the rubble, and picture perfect.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You don’t have to dismiss it outright, but you also shouldn’t accept it outright.

Why are measured statements like this always so hard for people to fathom?

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because they're rightfully skeptical of "both sides" arguments, which I understand.

But it's just a fact that both sides are engaging in heavy, unprecedented, levels of informational warfare.

Insurgencies themselves are basically violent marketing campaigns, they are not won, or lost, on the battlefield.

Which is precisely why everyone should be skeptical of these kind of stories. Not the point of automatic dismissal, but just stored with a few grains of salt, to be reevaluated at a later date, and with more confirmation, or additional credible information.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I suppose that's a fair point. This is one of the only times the "both sides" argument actually is valid.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Because humans are pathetic emotionally turbulent morons that sometimes manage to act logically

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This looks like when Russia found all that evidence laid out on the bed and all those Sims.