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Why does it sound fabricated that an attack that killed 1200 civilians targeted civilians?
For me it makes total sense.
Hamas is a genocidal, racist organization who declared in their charter peace talks are "a waste of time and vain endeavors".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter
Yeah, maybe this is fabricated. But we do not need to collect evidence to be able to judge who they are. They state it proud and clearly.
I'm talking about the attack plan printout here. Not the attack itself.
I’m not sure about your logic here, do you recognize the attack but reject that it was planned with printouts? Do you think the attack of >2000 terrorists was spontaneous?
I'm not sure if you're playing dumb here. What I'm saying is, that this looks like Israel is planting fake evidence to spin a narrative. That does neither mean nor imply that there was no attack or that that was not planned. The "40 beheaded babies" turned out to be bullshit and I bet this will too. Even if the printouts turn out to be genuine, the reporting on it seems to be disingenuous and tries to make Hamas, and by extension the Palestinian people, look even worse than they are to make the over the top retaliation more palatable to the world by dehumanizing the enemy.
The '40 beheaded babies' were a misquote from an interview with one IDF commander blown up by some media. It was corrected quickly.
Wait so if I understand you correctly: even if these documents are genuine and prove that Hamas explicitly wanted to target children, it's still a big media conspiracy to make Hamas worse than they are?
Have you ever heard of propaganda and dehumanization? Have you also noticed how Israel has already killed at least three times more civilians in the past few days?
Spot the difference. What feels more like honest reporting and why would one choose the other option?
The '40 beheaded babies' were a misquote from an interview with one IDF commander blown up by some media. It was corrected quickly.
Wait so if I understand you correctly: even if these documents are genuine and prove that Hamas explicitly wanted to target children, it's still a big media conspiracy to make Hamas look worse than they are?
I think you've strayed far from the path
You don't.
No. But I don't see that from those pictures. They targeted a residential area, which happened to contain a school (big surprise). Like with the "beheaded babies", extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. From the provided information I'm not convinced that Hamas targeted children specifically.
Targeting civilians is already bad. The way I suggest they spin a story is by setting the focus on children, babies, women, ... to appeal to emotions rather than just reporting facts. And I think they do that to dehumanize Hamas and by extension Palestinians to justify the retaliatory atrocities of an even bigger magnitude in the eyes of the world.
It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp ... remember the babies taken out of the incubators in Iraq?
Why do you think that accusing Hamas of the atrocities it did says something about the Palestinians? Do you not recognize that most Palestinians avoid such violant acts? Holding terrorist organizations accountable for their crimes against humanity says nothing about the Palestinians.
Just like how holding the Russian government for their war crimes and their terror does not de-humenizes russians all around the world and in Russia. That’s a child’s way of seeing things.
You quite obviously do not understand how propaganda and dehumanization works.
That's rich coming from somebody who just said what you said.
Fake evidence to spin a narrative??? We have all seen the result of these plans
I like that you also moved to goal posts since you clearly couldn’t stomach your own shit take on how the plans must be false flag plants, but my favorite part was when you felt able to say that even if they were genuine, that SIMPLY REPORTING IT would be an intelligence attack on Hamas/palestine.
Like are you fucking kidding me??? Shall they only report on things that look good for Hamas?
We have have seen the result of some plan. I'm questioning whether it is 1) the plan that was depicted here and 2) even if it was whether the reporting on its content is accurate.
Not really.
Um, no. You do not seem to understand what false flag means, and nowhere did I suggest any false flag operation.
I did not say anything even remotely like that.
They should report stuff they have fact checked and not transform 'the general populace' into 'babies, kids, women, cripples, ...'. The entire point/concept of terror is hitting soft targets. Reporting only on the 'very weak' caters to emotions, not transport of information. And why would they do that ...
Oh I’m sorry sir that the volunteers cleaning up the bodies of the 40 babies that were rounded up and murdered and then put on a pile in the middle of the street didn’t wait for a photoshoot. Obviously we have only testimonies of that from officers and volunteers and confirmation from Israeli authorities, since the villages were evacuated as a warzone that no one is premitted to enter. Did you really expect anyone to leave bodies for days until the world media comes to see it?
What I’m trying to say is there’s nothing to spin here. Hamas targeted abused, raped, paraded and kidnapped civilians and children. The massacre was thoroughly planned. It is very reasonable that Israel found a printout of some plan on one of the 1,500 attackers it captured and killed. What is there to benefit from faking such document? Is it not obvious that Hamas targeted civilians and children? What does it add to the table?
No, we have the testimony of one IDF member who promoted Palestinian genocide in the past. Everybody else who was on the scene and gave a statement could not confirm that one ~~testimony~~ lie. All the newspapers back-paddled on that story; maybe you should too.
Yes. Children are civilians. The repeated claim is that children were not targeted as part of the populace but specifically. In the eyes of most people that would be even more sinister. And Israel needs Hamas and the Palestinians who supported them to look as bad as possible to distract from their retaliation.
Do I really need to spell it out like that?
Why are you so sure Hamas couldn’t draw up plans and use sat imagery?? Do you think they’re too dumb?
Give me a break