Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Friday to “immediately” order a cease-fire in Ukraine and start negotiations if Kyiv began withdrawing troops from the four regions annexed by Moscow in 2022 and renounced plans to join NATO. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy rejected what he called an ultimatum by Putin to surrender more territory...

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 7 points 5 months ago

I'm honestly so curious about it. Like, the way they argue sort of implicitly acknowledges that they aren't actually right about the facts, and are just trying to engage in tactics to "win" or claim victory instead of talking about what's really going on. They have to understand that, on some level, in order to be able to do it. And yet, there seem like there are way too many of them and the endeavor would be too pointless for it to all be just troll farms talking to each other every day about how awesome Russia and China are.

Like I really wish that I could push a button and turn off fog of war for a second and see what's actually going on there. Who are you? Who are the propagandists, in which groupings, and how many accounts do they run and which ones? What is everyone's motivation? Where do the people live? And so on.