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Hello World,

Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.

Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.

At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.

As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one's stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.

We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.

Thank you,

The Lemmy.World Team

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[–] takeda@szmer.info 476 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 148 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The tactics and attitudes definitely make me think of that. It seems like the same people who showed up and fucked up a bunch of subs on reddit 6-7 years ago, like how conspiracy went from discussing things like UFOs and MK ULTRA to conservative political conspiracy theories and opposing the Democratic Party and politicians.

[–] gr522x@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you saying MK ULTRA is just a conspiracy theory and never happened? I've watched documentaries on PBS, BBC and the History Channel. Clearly the program existed, as for what clandestine operations it ran, that's certainly loaded with conspiracy theories.

If everything is a conspiracy theory, nothing is a conspiracy theory.

https://www.history.com/topics/us-government-and-politics/history-of-mk-ultra

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

No, I didn't intend any meaning like that. I just said it was the sort of thing discussed on the sub prior to a bunch of bullshit.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 102 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Whenever communists or socialists gather, the tankies take over.

It's been like that since the past 100 years.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm not even sure they're really tankies anymore (or the meaning of the word is changing). Actual tankies still ostensibly support communism, but all too often, it's blatantly apparent that they're actually right-wing totalitarians cosplaying.

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yep, it's easy to bait them too. You make a post or comment calling out tankies for supporting authoritarianism, and out of the woodwork scurry all the "socialists and communists" to downvote you.

Thing is, a real socialist or communist hates authoritarianism too.

[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They’re tankies in the original sense. The word came from an incident where there was an actual honest to god socialist movement when workers were seizing the means of production, and “communist” Russia sent literal tanks to shut it down. A reporter happened to observe the whole thing in person and tried to write up the story, but his editors would only print the official U.N. statement that the tanks were stopping a fascist movement.

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Thanks I've been wondering where the term originated

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Isn’t that an oxymoron

[–] Airazz@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Tankies support russian or Chinese versions of communism, which really isn't communism at all.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

[Looks around nervously]

Aren't we gathering here too? This defederation seems like tankies not taking over.

Anecdotally I was in a bunch of actual leftist subreddits; I only departed because capitalists enshittified the whole website.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe you just didn't recognize it. Reddit leftist spaces were famously led by tankie mods.

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Yup, you would call out their BS and you get banned. The system was perfect and no one is allowed to fully criticize it.

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 71 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.

Defederation is the best response imo.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is funny to mention Trump around tankies and watch their heads explode. They can't pretend Trump is a communist, but their propaganda masters don't want them to turn against the Republicans, so they're just in this weird space where the only thing they can do is aggressively avoid the topic at all.

[–] mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

hexbear had an entire thread with hundreds of comments where they all agreed they hated trump and viewed him as an odious fascist

https://lemmy.ml/post/4040923?scrollToComments=true

The closest thing you find to support for trump in there is some of them thinking he is a less effective imperialist.

[–] mashbooq@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've seen them actively celebrate that they don't suffer from "Trump derangement syndrome" like liberals (supposedly) do. The longer you watch them, the more pro-fascism you see slip through

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don't forget the classical "liberals are the real fascist allies"

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Just be aware that "liberal" has a complete different meaning in the political discourse compared to what it means in the current (low quality) american political discourse. Historically liberals have been allies of fascism, indeed.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

Liberalism birthed capitalism, the greatest hierarchical economic system this world has ever seen. It supports and feeds capitalism with its cult of individuality, a reverence of wealth and power, and its almost dogmatic need for competition in order to sort the best from the worst.

Fascism is a logical extension of this. All it does is shrink the in-group and expand the out-group.

[–] RenownedBalloonThief@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll clear that one up since everyone here seems to be boldly making inaccurate claims. They say that because media outlets and people will spend more time analyzing and critiquing Trump eating McDonalds or typing covfefe than the US, say, drone striking innocent Afghani people or the utter shit show that Libya has become due partially to the efforts of Clinton and Obama.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You could have just sait it's whataboutism.

[–] Epicurus0319@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’ve actually once seen a tankie scream something about how the “imperial coreTM” (America) allows gay marriage, codifying Obergefell into law last year just in case SCOTUS and some red-state AG decide it needs to go and make a serious attempt at it. Some of them actually do think it’s “capitalistic degeneracy”

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's my problem with it. For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist. It makes their philosophies and claims seem really inconsistent and not based on any real ideology. It seems like at most an anti-US, anti-EU ideology, and for some reason they scorn the same US politicians that conservatives here do, while never mentioning any problems with the people in the US who are even more against workers rights and in favor of unbridled capitalism. Also, the tactics of groups of people mocking people and comments reminds me of the shilled-out shit that showed up on reddit several years ago.

[–] AreaSIX@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can't understand why or how communists and socialists would be anti-US and anti-EU? Really? Seems fairly self evident to me that that'd be the case. Why would you expect anything but hostility towards the ultra capitalist systems in the US or EU from communists and socialists? Seems like an odd complaint, anti-capitalist sentiment is part of the core of the ideology as I see it.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My question is why they'd support Russia and China instead, which are as currently as capitalist as the US and EU. And also, as noted, have scorn for the more socialist politicians in the US while not criticizing the ones that support the even more abusive capitalist policies.

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

ultra capitalist systems in the US or EU

Given the number of social programs in the EU, bunching it with the US just denotes ignorance.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

As tankies often do. They are just a different colors of fascist, but damage the reputation of all lefties