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Because you have to be so deep up your own ass to purposefully ignore information about the atrocities committed by your country, that you could probably see the light through your mouth.
I sort kind of undertand brainwashed russians living in a russian bubble, with no access to outside information. Fine, you're fed shit all your life, so that's the only desert you've had and that's the only desert you want/need.
But this moron is out in the free world, and simply cannot underatand why, oh why could people be weary of russians? Truly the pinnacle of evolution.
Why is the same attitude not conveyed towards north korean escapees?
Do escapees of NK often express disbelief that the rest of the world dislikes the country they escaped from? Your question seems to be a non sequitur.
There's a difference between disliking the country and the people that emigrated from that country
North Korean escapees almost exclusively did so against the wishes of their government, and almost certainly have a dim view of them. This is likely reflected in the view other people have of them.
Russian citizens are almost all free to leave, and often still have a positive view of their home country.
That's a really interesting point. Maybe because the North Korean govt is seen as persecuting it's citizens. Therefore it's citizens are seen as the victims (despite some citizens being the perpetrators).
Whereas Russian citizens are seen as the perpetrators (as invading soldiers) along with the leadership and surrounding countries are seen as the victims.
I agree. I think this is spot on. It's the context. If I see Russians traveling around right now, I assume they are traveling to avoid the war, but aren't against it happening. I feel like with these videos, it's always the Russians that are puppets to their government. Never the ones that oppose the war.
Russians that legitimately want nothing to do with their government/ want peace are cool though.
This video seemed like she was lacking an outside perspective. She says she's seeking a calmer place to live, but it sounds like she doesn't understand the context that everyone else has. Everyone is eyeing Russians right now because nobody wants a bunch of warmongers moving into their country. I'm not saying all Russians are like that, but nobody knows if a person is or not. So they're making quick judgement
I'm not sure how it is in Mexico/south America but I know in Canada we have a cultural melting pot, but people bring their past quarrels with them into the country. So you have a bunch of people living in Canada that will occasionally fight each other because of what Is happening in their original countries. Nobody wants to deal with that
Yes and no, it's not like e.g. NFKRZ doesn't complain about things like banking sanctions and the increased difficulty of getting visas.
With many, it's easy to tell, straight up Z people generally tell on themselves very quickly, Anti-Z folks are also easy to spot even if they're holding back (just because you're not in Russia right now doesn't mean that there's no consequences for your speech), it's the depoliticised bunch that's the issue. In more than one way. OTOH while those may have an absolute void of an opinion on the war in particular, they generally do have a sensible opinion on civilian casualties and stuff.
Or, differently put: It's all too easy to ignore all that, to avoid looking at the actual person, by making too quick a judgement.
Why do you assume the Russians that are fleeing are simultaneously agreeing with the actions of the country they fled?
Because in the video she declares "Russians are a nationalist people" and simultaneously not once clarifies that she disagrees with the government. When you say you love your country it is assumed you mean its government too unless you say otherwise.
They are raised from birth to hate the West and believe their tyrannical government's lies. This compounds the need to expressly rebuke Putin etc for Russians looking for sympathy.
I've heard that some of the wealthy are fleeing so that they don't get affected by the war directly. I assume some are waiting for it to blow over and will return when it's done. Or some might just set up somewhere else.
Of course, it's impossible to tell without the whole picture (which we rarely have). I'm purely basing this off of what I have read and the videos I've seen. So I could be entirely wrong.
So why target people emigrating AWAY from that?
While Russia is fascist as heck, it is still substantially easier to emigrate from Russia than it is to emigrate from North Korea. Also, while there is a powerful state media in Russia, they do not have complete (or near complete) control over every line of communication in and out of the country as is the case in North Korea. There's also the matter of relative wealth and ability to defy/evade government control by way of travel/media consumption/emigration.