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    [–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    You can be direct and call out bullshit without swearing and name calling. While the content of this sounds reasonable, the tone definitely isn't. If someone talked to me like that I'd tell them to fuck right off.

    [–] arc@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yes you could but he didn't and clearly his style was self evidently effective. And I'd add that if you've ever read the LKML archives, that these rants were rare and usually preceded by long chains of discussion before it reached that point.

    [–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

    Yes you could but he didn't and clearly his style was self evidently effective.

    Depends on how you define "effective". Because by his own admission, it gets shit done, but also alienates people in the project and turns off others from joining it.

    So yeah, you'll get the update pushed, and it'll work, but down the line you find yourself struggling to keep up without the help of people that don't want to work with you.

    Linus' mistake is a classic one: really self-sufficient tech person doing fantastic work with a team but not appreciating that there's a whole social layer to it that is every bit as important as the standards and procedures at keeping everything working.

    [–] arc@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I define effective by the fact it was self evidently effective. No need to split hairs or dissemble here. Linux is objectively, indisputably the most important piece of code in the world. Everything else, such as a the context free boo hoo about some times when he has had a go at people is just noise.

    [–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Seems like the man himself disagrees with you, since he saw it as a big enough problem to get professional help and make long lasting changes. 🤷‍♂️

    [–] dk841143@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 11 months ago

    Or he's just playing the game within the current "social layers" that have attached to or are inherit to the project to placate those who require placating. Not like pubic figures haven't had to blow sunshine up asses to shut the the "whiners" up before. And if so, maybe those lasting changes are trivial because it was never a major habit to begin with and rare. Its was just an approach to get the result. But you've to show the public you care (even if you don't) and talk about how you worked real hard and put in the work. (Even if the work was trivial)

    [–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Doesn't make it right. Michael Jackson's dad abused his kids and they became world famous artists, doesn't mean abusing your kids is acceptable or should be seen as such.

    [–] arc@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    This is a nonsensical comparison

    [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    It's not a comparison, it's an analogy. Important distinction.

    [–] arc@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    It's a rotten analogy. Comparing Linus having a go at some volunteers is not analogous, or comparable to a father abusing kids.

    [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

    The analogy is that the end result doesn't justify the behaviour from the person in power. It's apt.

    [–] SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 11 months ago

    Oh noes he used bad wordsies? My fee-fees!

    [–] Koordinator_O@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

    Sure you can. But the evidence i see in my immediate vicinity is that informations go in through one ear and straight out through the other without holding on to anything if presented in in a none swearing or name calling manner. It hurts but it works.