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    Linus does not fuck around (lemmy.one)
    submitted 10 months ago by AdventuringAardvark@lemmy.one to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    An oldie, but a goodie

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    [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I feel it's equally important to point ot that Torvalds recognized his toxic behavior, apologized for it, and took steps to rectify it.

    In an email to the Linux Kernel Mailing List, which also addresses the kernel update of Linux 4.19-rc4, Torvalds writes: "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely."

    "I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately."

    [–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

    That was seriously admirable. From memory he actually did improve quite a lot after that as well.

    [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, shouting at your subordinates in public is utter bullshit.

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    [–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

    I'm really glad you added this, that was pretty awful to read.

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    [–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    So I recently had a conversation with some who though Linus Torvalds (kernel) and Linus Sebastian (Linus Tech Tips) was the same person.
    That was a pretty funny and confusing conversation.

    [–] properlypurple@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

    Imagine Torwalds doing reviews of old CPU coolers and completely losing his shit 🤣🤣🤣

    [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Not going to touch the general toxicity as it's something Linus has already apologized and worked through with professional help, but I love the attitude when it comes to responsibility.
    Far too often it's easier to blame someone else for error.

    "No this is our problem, and I'm ashamed you're trying to blame someone else for it" is respectable take

    [–] arc@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    His style of being direct, having a high quality threshold and calling out bullshit immediately and bluntly is why the Linux kernel went from a university project to powering everything from lightbulbs to super computers. I think it kind of ridiculous that this demonstrably effective style got framed as "toxic" just because he hurt a few people's fee-fees.

    [–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    You can be direct and call out bullshit without swearing and name calling. While the content of this sounds reasonable, the tone definitely isn't. If someone talked to me like that I'd tell them to fuck right off.

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    [–] Floey@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Demonstrably effective

    Where's the logic in looking at something successful and picking a singular thing to be responsible? What seems more likely is you are looking for an idea you are attached to that exists adjacent to something successful. It's like a Mormon looking for successful Mormon CEOs to then claim the company's success is due to the Mormon work ethic. It's like how in Whiplash the Charlie Parker story is venerated and seen as explanatory by the characters.

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    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Way to infantalize the people calling him out while excusing his childish tantrums.

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    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

    I feel like people are overlooking the fact that this is typical early internet behavior lol.

    I get that its the linux kernel mailing list, but I'm pretty sure Linus was way more wild online than in person because that's how public internet forums and IRC used to be like.

    Stallman has also said some equally braindead stuff lol.

    [–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Like, I get how it's funny, but I would hate to get this kind of shit from someone I respect. Would really mess me up, personally

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

    So publicly, too. People have quit over it.

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    [–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Ugh, having been on the receiving end, this type of belittlement is the worst, and breeds resentment, factionalism, and a host of other toxic elements in the workplace.

    Irrespective of the validity of his critique, prima donna developers are the worst and I would start looking for jobs elsewhere because programming is already stressful enough, don't want to start worrying about the people.

    [–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

    Absolutely awful shit and I would be ashamed for decades if I acted like this to another person.

    Really shows the worst of him here. It's rare that he becomes this toxic and humiliating.

    [–] mindlight@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

    I agree. In a leadership role it's one thing what you say to a person in front of others and a completely different thing what you say when alone with them....

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