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A lot of comments here are saying that vaping is apprently healthier than smoking. But we don't actually know that. All independent studies I know of say that we can't tell the long term consequences to vaping lungs yet.
Everyone that says that vaping is healthier than smoking is just parotting the companies that sell vapes.
Edit: Some videos about that topic:
https://youtu.be/XuTQbOo3Y30
https://youtu.be/bbV6I8VRMG8
Does not equate to "just as harmful as cigarettes". All of the data that we have available shows it to be considerably less harmful than cigarettes. If there are long term consequences, and there almost certainly are, they will still be less harmful than cigarettes.
I never said that vapes are "just as harmful as cigaretres". Altough most studies that suggest "less harmful" vapes are corporately sponsored by vape companies and tobacco companies that are slowly adopting vapes into their model.
Vapes as a tool to quit smoking are a nice tale, and probably work sometimes. But mostly vapes attracted teenagers and young adults and have started addicting a new generation of smokers/vapers after numbers have been falling these past few years.
Vapes as a smoking cessation method has a 70% success rate. The next closest method is less than 3%.
So who's paying you to shill?
We're not parroting companies selling vapes. This is literally 9 years ago: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update
At least 95% less harmful than tobacco.
9 years of evidence is a lot of time when it comes to signs of long term damage. Especially with a new technology
Yup. They have updated studies, as late as last year, without much change in the outcome. People have been vaping for 13-14 years now too.
My point being, we have studies its less unhealthy by a huge degree, and it's also backed up by anecdotal evidence.
Whatever the case, if you are a smoker, you definitely will live longer if you switch to vaping.
How much longer compared to no smoking/vaping remains to be seen in long term.
Anecdotally: just about every smoker I know has had the effects of smoking related problems go away just after few months of vaping. No wheezing, smokers cough going away, respitory issues and sleep apnea either reduced or gone.
Ok, fair, but you're missing the blatantly obvious here:
Even if at 20 years you suddenly drop dead of vaper's lung, those first 19.99 years were significantly less unhealthy than smoking cigarettes was.
So, the longer we go without seeing long-term issues, the more extreme those issues would need to be to actually outweigh cigarette danger.
List the chemicals in a vape and then list the chemicals in a cigarette and tell me that vaping isnt a healthier alternative to smoking.
-someone making money off it
Actually, it was on the Dutch news recently that doctors find that it's really unhealthy for teenagers.
People shouldn't be under the impression it's healthy, it's just a lot less unhealthy than cigarettes.