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Seen a lot of posts on Lemmy with vegan-adjacent sentiments but the comments are typically very critical of vegan ideas, even when they don't come from vegans themselves. Why is this topic in particular so polarising on the internet? Especially since unlike politics for example, it seems like people don't really get upset by it IRL

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There are some very militant vegans out here on Lemmy, equating eating meat with rape and murder and generally being annoying without actually contributing to the discussions.

They are actively harming their cause. So much so, I suspect them of actually being trolls trying to make vegans look bad.

Or they are just dumb as a brick and don't understand common discourse. That's possible too.

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

While eating meat is neither murder nor rape, for meat to be produced, exactly that needs to happen.

Or how would you call it?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Animals are born and die, it is the natural circle of life.

You can blame the meat industry for horrific practices to satiate the market with cheap meat.

But it is definitely possible to have ethical meat consumption that doesn't involve murdering or raping the animals.

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

But it is definitely possible to have ethical meat consumption that doesn't involve murdering or raping the animals.

How?

[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Well if you support the rape and murder of animals (both common in animal agriculture) don't be surprised when people get upset

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you for proving everyone’s point. This is the .01% I was talking about @CalciumDeficiency@lemmy.world

[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Eh, sometimes it makes sense to just call things as they are instead of trying to tiptoe around peoples feelings.

If you don't think artificial insemination is a form of rape/sexual violation, then idk what kind of meaningful discussion we can have. If you don't think unnecessary killing is murder, then again idk what kind of meaningful discussion we can have. (Note that there's not really any good reason for the term "murder" to only apply to humans. If someone kills your dog would you be opposed to the use of the word "murder" then?)

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you refer to animals predating other animals as murder too?

[–] Inui@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do those other animals have the biology that allows them to subsist on other foods and the higher thinking required to question the morality of their actions?

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago

Arguably, yes to both of those things.

Vegan cat food exists for example and animals have exhibited morals.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth -3 points 6 months ago

Cool you should just block me, we won’t get along and I won’t be able to respond, since I’m blocking you right after this.

Your parameters for conversation aren’t conducive for polite conversation.

Feel free to say whatever you like back, I won’t see it and maybe you can feel better pretending like you won.

Have the life you deserve.