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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 139 points 6 months ago (5 children)

If you really want the job, this is a bad idea. The form is there so that HR (who usually knows nothing about the technical details of the posted jobs) can match base requirements against what the hiring manager is looking for. If they get a match, they just forward the resume to the manager. Doing stuff like this on the form is likely going to result in them just moving on without looking at your application further. And it doesn't mean it's a bad place to work; the company and the manager might be great.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 68 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Pretty much.

Maybe I'm some rare unicorn. But I have NEVER successfully got a job filling out forms like this. It's a huge waste of my time.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm a hiring manager, and every single person hired at my company has to fill out a form like this.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Then I sneak through the backdoor then, or they fill it out for me.

Again, never have I filled them out and got a job.

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

And I’m sure you’ve worked enough jobs for your anecdotal experience to be statistically significant.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Places like this probably get 2000 submissions so they are indeed a waste of time.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You aren't. I was just hired for a great position by not filling out their form. Then they emailed me and asked if I wanted to finish. I said "I won't fill out something that is already on my resume". They had a couple of interviews and a substantial offer. I started last week.

It depends on the position. If it's entry level or some retail job, yes, fill it out. But management or some other position where it's highly specific, this is an absolute waste of my time.

[–] Promethiel@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

"It depends on the position. If it's entry level or some retail job, yes, fill it out. But management or some other position where it's highly specific, this is an absolute waste of my time"

It's an absolute waste of time, period. No need to stratify it further. McKinsey & Ilk bullshit is commodifying the lowest denominator shit in the name of HR professionals using more buzzwords and less braincells in the hiring process while pretending they're standardizing equity, in my opinion.

That the positions you are ostensibly qualified for allow for a measure of 'hardball posturing' doesn't mean pseudo-hokey HR practices on non-leadership role hiring. aren't filtering the best of the best of people--at filling out useless forms that you'll need to train to critically think anyways.

Only way to combat MBB bullshit is for the in-house managers to grow a spine and speak truth to power after the pre-contractually safe 'I'm so good you want me even if I don't toe the line' that is allowed to every leadership role hire as their moment to feel special to see that reaction.

[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I got a job once that was like this, except on paper.

It was 2017.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

And they can't do that with a resume? Most things seem to be able to do that automatically these days (fill out forms with info from a resume that is); just the not damned employer.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Because filling out the data places it in identified fields that you can compile into a single table and sort. You’d have to examine each resume individually.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I mean, HR is being paid. They should be going through the resume and compiling the data themselves.

Instead they require the applicants to do it for free, despite the fact the applicants are probably having to do it dozens of times trying to apply for multiple jobs.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

No reading every resume is an incredibly stupid way to spend time, even for HR workers (they are somewhat educated aka not cheap).

It would make sense for every joblisting to use the same format and you just filling it all out once in said format and connecting to any company / job listing you'ld want to apply to. That's basically what linkedin does to some extent. That, but without the social network bullshit, would be pretty cool.

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I’m not even a fan of HR departments and even I recognize there’s more to their job than sorting through every resume they get every day.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I think you underestimate how many people apply for jobs and how few people are in HR lol.

You'd make a lot of money if you were able to make a site that harvested one from the other.

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[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 8 points 6 months ago

They could absolutely attempt to parse the resumes, then ask you to verify the information instead of just having you enter it all again manually, but that would probably cost slightly more.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I don't think HR does it by hand, they do a query for specific degree and years of experience based on what's entered into the form. Then they take the results and send those resumes to the manager. They aren't going to read through hundreds or thousands of resumes trying to find the key items.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

They aren't going to read through hundreds or thousands of resumes trying to find the key items.

It's an automated process.

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[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Yet these companies have the audacity to complain that they can’t find any qualified applicants. It would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking sad.

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[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also, it's hard for a computer to parse a resume, and most of this stuff runs through a computer before a human sees it, so filling a form makes sure the data is correct.

You also don't have to worry about corrupted or unsupported files.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

You're telling me that computers are sophisticated enough to drive cars and create new antibiotics but resumes are just too much? Nah.

If that's the case then don't ask for a resume and only have the form to input job history that can be easily handed over to a manager using a printable template.

It's lazy on HR's part and on the HR software they use.

[–] BangCrash@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Have you ever seen a standard resume?

They don't exist. Resumes are totally different for every person. Different document format, different layout.

The forms are for filtering. Ones that pass filtering, then the resumes will actually be read.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

that computers are sophisticated enough to drive cars

they aren't

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Not according to every shitty car company with a "social media expert" that makes an OpenAI account

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[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The fact that you have people that know nothing about the technical requirements of the role means you have an idiot deciding on whether or not you fit. Your chances are crippled from the get go.

These are red flags to me. This is just a tip of the iceberg and a great indicator as to how dysfunctional the company is.

If you’re THAT detached from the hiring process then you’ll never find a good candidate because you don’t know what a good candidate is.

All that means is that if you some how manage to get hired you’ll be working with idiots that can’t do their job because they were hired by an idiot.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I work for a company that makes rocket engines. It makes no sense to teach the folks in HR about all the disciplines that go into the business - mechanical design, combustion devices, materials and properties, electronics, software, etc. It makes way more sense to make sure they know how to do their own job, and for a hiring manager to be able to tell them something like, "Send me all the applicants who have a computer science degree and at least five years of experience." Then I can evaluate which of those applicants is the best fit based on the resume. The form facilitate that.

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[–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

just because somebody typed this stuff and took a photo doesn't mean that's what they submitted.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Understood, but I didn't want anyone to think it's a good idea.