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This is likely to be misread by non-Irish people.
All parties condemn Israel, support recognising Palestinian statehood, support South Africa's genocide case.
Saying things like "pro US and so their policies and actions for one from this" and "prefer not to rock the boat with the US" makes it sound like there are pro-Israel political parties in Ireland. There are none.
Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have consistently been open, vocal supporters of Israel, as I believe are the Labour party. I don't know where you're getting your ideas from.
I'm surprised at the amount of disinfo on Lemmy. Where are you from?
https://labour.ie/news/2023/10/18/israel-must-be-held-to-account-for-horrendous-war-crimes/
Varadkar: "Israel must reverse its precipitous decision to authorise a land incursion into Rafah. And after 100 years of violence, as you said, the only secure future lies in two states peaceful and sovereign, side by side. Ireland stands ready to recognise a Palestinian state with like-minded partners when it is most helpful for peace."
https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0423/1445100-micheal-martin-middle-east/
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/micheal-martin-says-israel-tried-to-undermine-unrwa-as-independent-report-finds-country-provided-no-evidence-of-hamas-links/a1681110605.html
Micheál Martin criticises Israel after latest bombing of Gaza Strip, Martin said he believes Israel has broken international humanitarian law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L4HtxAz-Jg
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/02/15/israels-disinformation-campaign-against-unrwa-must-not-undermine-its-life-saving-mandate-tanaiste/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/02/ireland-criticism-israel-eu-palestinian-rights
https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0406/1441986-fine-gael-ard-fheis/
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/05/26/ireland-supports-landmark-motion-condemn-israeli-de-facto-annexation-palestine
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/04/11/simon-harris-to-raise-irelands-intention-to-recognise-palestine-with-von-der-leyen/
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/02/14/no-concerns-irelands-position-on-gaza-war-could-cause-diplomatic-strain-with-us-says-harris/
https://www.finegael.ie/private-members-business-palestine/
https://www.finegael.ie/minister-brophy-pledges-support-to-un-agency-for-palestine-refugees/
https://labour.ie/news/2024/04/11/palestinian-statehood-must-be-urgently-recognised/
https://labour.ie/news/2024/04/11/palestinian-statehood-must-be-urgently-recognised/
https://labour.ie/news/2024/01/23/political-posturing-on-gaza-preventing-progress/
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Harris is after calling Israel repulsive: https://lemmy.ml/post/14210216
I'm not trying to defend FG, but why are you lying?
Jesus man. You're going to lie in plain view while saying I'm lying? Are you Israeli or something?
He called actions repulsive, not Israel. And only the actions of a single individual. FFS.
He supports Israel and openly says so. He condemns the Palestinian resistance to its genocide.
Martin went there and famously pointed to a hole in a ceiling and said nothing about the mass murder until very recently.
They still haven't expelled the ambassador.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/03/27/ireland-to-intervene-in-south-africas-case-against-israel-over-gaza-invasion/
Yeah what about it? Six months later they caved to pressure after supporting the genocide. So what?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/cowen-condemns-israeli-action-and-voices-dismay-over-un-s-role-1.1232151
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/cowen-calls-on-israel-to-withdraw-from-gaza-1.833744
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/cowen-and-erekat-condemn-gaza-attack-as-unjustifiable-25915122.html
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2023-11-15/43/?highlight%5B0%5D=Tá
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2021-05-25/9/
These links are almost a decade old. What do they have to say about current government or political parties?
Use your words.
what is your claim? and how did you come to believe it?
Answer the question.
cén ceist?
At this point I count four outstanding questions you're desperately trying to dodge.
why are you lying?
Where are you from?
what is your claim? and how did you come to believe it?
– sin ceaṫair
I take it you concede the point then by refusing to engage in good faith discussion.
All government parties, and more, support the Israel and its genocide. Fact.
There is no discutandum: you've just said easily-falsifiable things and I have falsified them easily. You're saying that they vocally support it, when there's abundant reporting on their opposing it and helping South Africa oppose it.
Have you ever been to Ireland? Have you ever opened an Irish newspaper?
If I say the moon is made of Cashel Blue, I wouldn't expect someone to engage in some detailed "good faith" rebuttal.
You can't just say obvious mistruths like "All government parties, and more, support the Israel and its genocide. Fact." and then expect some sort of "good faith discussion".
You can't even spell the word. You're no good at this.
Only in your mind. I invite you to debate in any of the stories I'm posting here. Not just claiming you falsified anything or asking where people come from. Address the subject matter.
Here's another.
Then why do they vocally oppose it, support South Africa's genocide case, and move to recognising the Palestinian state?
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4415603
They don't. They're all very vocal about "Israel's", "right to exist".
It took them over 6 months of genocide to support SA's genocide case and only did so after the ICJ backed it.
They've repeatedly opposed recognising the Palestinian state.
Would you like to know more?
Thanks for reminding me about all of these supports of Israel by the government. I'll keep posting them now.
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4415612
There's no discussion to be had: you said something easily falsifiable and I falsified it easily.
I can't come in saying Guinness is pink and demand to be taken seriously.
Have you ever been to Ireland? Have you ever opened an Irish newspaper?
https://web.archive.org/web/20231103141040/https://www.reuters.com/world/irish-pm-says-israel-actions-gaza-resemble-something-approaching-revenge-2023-11-03/
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/fully-disproportionate-irelands-fm-slams-israels-destruction-of-gaza/
This never happened man. You made no effort to back up your absurd claim.
LOL what? I'm the Liberties man. Not that it makes any difference to anything at all. Where are you from yank?
What's the point of your links? Do you have any supporting argument at all? Why are you afraid to debate?
How could there be a "debate"?? There's nothing to argue, you've said Guinness is pink and I've provided more than a score of links showing the well-reported plain facts.
Ireland has done nothing meaningful or brave for the victims of "Israel's" genocide. This is a fact.
gg yank.
When were they "vocal" in their "support" for Israel?
Every time they support "Israel's" "right to exist".
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4415309
Stop lying you weirdo
What's happening in this picture?