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[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (14 children)

“Coincidence” would seem to be a much more likely reason

How so? How do you define "coincidence" in this context?

Even if "coincidence" is more likely, that doesn't rule out the possibility of a higher power.

Atheism is the assertion that there is no God, agnosticism is the acknowledgement that we can't actually prove such an assertion. As an agnostic, I dont necessarily believe that a higher power is likely to exist, I simply know that I am unable to definitively prove otherwise.

If you claim to be an atheist, you should be able to logically demonstrate that a higher power cannot possibly exist. Go ahead.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Atheism is the assertion that there is no God, agnosticism is the acknowledgement that we can’t actually prove such an assertion

Most atheists tend to identify as agnostic atheists. You're arguing against gnostic atheists, which are few and far between in my experience. The qualifier is usually dropped out of simplicity.

I'm gnostic about the Judeo-Christian god existing, and agnostic about any god existing. I still identify as an atheist.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Fair enough. I guess my understanding of the terminology may be obsolete.

But I'm unsure how you can be gnostic about the Judeo-Christian God existing. Doesn't that require the exact same amount of faith as actual Christians, just in the opposite direction? I'm not comfortable with claiming certainty of anything in the absence of any logical framework, and thus I do not identify as an atheist.

[–] tj@fedia.io 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not at all. There is a huge difference in proving a positive (i.e. that God exists) than prooving a negative (i.e. that God is IMPOSSIBLE).

EXAMPLE: Could Trump be a lizard alien in a skin suit as some might believe? Absolutely. Am I gnostic by stating in a matter of fact tone that he isn't (and thus dependant on "faith" by extension of your argument? Probably not.

Just because someone once made a wild claim about God existing, doesn't make me require "faith" to call out he obviously made up story with absolutely zero facts to back it as such.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

Trump is a human being who physically exists on Earth.

God is an abstract concept that is beyond human comprehension and exists outside the bounds of time and space.

Making claims about something that you fundamentally don't understand is a fool's errand.

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