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Lawmaker: TikTok must "sever relationship with the Chinese Communist Party."

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's about power, not about race. International politics is always about power. I don't get how some people don't understand that. You're right that many people are creating a scapegoat out of China, but (the intelligent and influential ones) aren't doing it out of racism. It might be racist, but they don't buy it, they're only selling it. It's about solidifying power and controlling means and methods. That's always the case for governments, no matter when or where.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (38 children)

Power and racism are inextricably bound together when it's the Americans doing things. This isn't even about maintaining hard power; this is just about keeping the inhabitants of the Western world from seeing how the elites make the sausage.

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[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If TikTok was owned by a German or English corporation, would it be facing this kind of scrutiny? Of fucking course not, don't be dense.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, because they'd share the information with the US. Just like China doesn't allow US corporations into China. Don't be dense.

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And I suppose the reason all of the euro countries share information with each other and don't let China into their special club is just a natural phenomenon? Completely arbitrary and random?

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Definitely can't be because they're the original settlers with historical prejudices against ANYONE they perceive as Asian; that totally doesn't exist according to that utter sinkhole

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

Not random for sure. They are a seperate power structure. The US does share some data with China, and also western countries don't share a lot of data with each other as well. All nations are constantly spying on each other. It isn't infrequent you hear about some NATO country spy being caught spying on some NATO nation. Governments are about control, and they'll try to increase that control with any method possible.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TikTok stores American data via Oracle. They also have servers in Virginia and Singapore.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, you have to store data with some locality so round trip times aren't horrible. It doesn't mean anyone has access to it or control over it.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oracle is an American company so they can get searched by the government at will. The government has access to TikTok data around as easily as the PRC does, it's just a matter of corporations being able to grab a profitable asset & create Anti-China sentiment.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago

There's no way in hell that data isn't encrypted. That'd be very poor handling of data, and probably illegal in most places, at least the EU. Just because data is on a server doesn't mean you access it with access to the server. Sure, the videos and stuff are probably raw, but any PII is almost certainly encrypted, or it should be if it isn't.

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

non-hexbear/non-lemmygrad user handle
ridiculous kindergarten-tier reasoning

like pottery

"waaahhh they're only DISPASSIONATELY SELLING the racism, they don't actually feel it in their hearts!"

First of all that's irrelevant
Second of all your work almost always becomes your personality to some extent so you're almost certainly wrong

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And you're better, right? No. You aren't. I'm on hexbear fairly frequently. I don't have any issue with hexbear or lemmygrad. I'm just not ignoring the fact all these nations do this. China has an almost exclusive ecosystem, yet somehow when the US does it it's racism? No. It isn't about race. It's about control. This apiea to China, Russia, and the US, and any other power in the future or past. Anyone who has the capability to gain control also has disposition to exploit their control. You don't gain control without that.

[–] RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Except it isn't actually the same. Bytedance can give the US government all the control literally everything they asked for and it hasn't been enough, because ultimately that is not what it's about.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Ion't recognize you, peckerwood.

literally half your political establishment (meaning 70% of the whites) like Russia for no other reason other than them being white

LOTTA WHITE NOISE IN HERE

[–] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Racism is an action word. Not "believing" in it is (quite literally) immaterial. If you do a racist action, you're a racist.

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[–] ToxicDivinity@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Yes it's about power. And the powerful use racism to get or keep power. So it's about both.