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LOL I love the idea that you can negotiate here. It's pretty clear that they really don't understand the ramifications of what has happened.
When Trump was first elected, it was clear that they never actually planned to win and govern. They had no plan, no staff in place, nothing. They literally didn't understand that you needed to do that.
If Trump had just stayed a celebrity real estate agent, nobody would have paid much attention to his business dealings. It's clear that they didn't understand that life would change after becoming a political figure. The same keeps happening--they can't seem to get that he's not a private business person whose dealings are opaque.
If Donnie had just stepped back and let Fauci and the professionals take over, he'd have won 2020.
Heck, he could ahve extorted billions out of the Saudis just by suggesting he might change US policy.
All his failures are about his pride.
Literally all he had to do was start selling red MAGA masks. Instead he encouraged millions of his supporters to avoid quarantine, dont wear masks, and take homey cures and it cost him the election. Wonder how many of the hundred thousand plus COVID deaths in Georgia were Trump supporters?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellisicky/2020/10/03/how-donald-trump-took-down-bonwit-teller-a-fifth-avenue-landmark/
My favorite Trump story. tl, dr is Trump was given a golden opportunity to impress the Manhattan elites and pissed it away through his own greed, arrogance, and sheer stupidity.
Also, John Barron makes a guest appearance!
Wow, I didn't know that. So sad.
We all love a chance to hear more from Mr. Barron!
If I had an interview with Trump, I wouldn't go after his big lies. I'd keep hammering away at all the little ones.
"Who is John Barron?"
"Who were the detectives you sent to Hawaii to investigate Obama's birth certificate."
"Why did you say you had walked in on the Miss Teen USA contestants?"
This are three that instantly come to mind, but I'm sure I could find hundreds more
I feel like anytime he’s face with facts, he changes the subject and starts rambling again. ~~Sea lioning~~ Gish Gallop I believe it’s called. Multiple reporters have tried to do what you suggest, but mostly it’s futile. His brain only knows how to construct incoherent rambling and insults.
One Axios reporter did do a good job once though iirc.
Edit: Gish Gallop is the term I was looking for, as gracefully pointed out below! Thank you!
https://youtu.be/RVnoc-ISUag
When he gets caught it's like a 3 year old who knows mommy won't spank him.
Gish Gallop is the term you're looking for.
Thank you. As often as I hear these terms, I still confuse which one is called what.
You're welcome!
Do you have a good way to keep these rhetorical techniques and/or logical fallacies straight? I often find myself in situations where I can describe them but not be able to connect each one’s proper name, even though I’ve tried to commit them to memory. It’s very frustrating and embarrassing.
I've just seen a lot of them. For me, it's about understanding the motivation and technique of the person doing the bullshit. As well as the reason for each name.
A Gish gallop was named after an actual politician named Gish who would famously continue to say ridiculous things until he overwhelmed his opponent.
Sealioning was named after a popular comic taking a random topic of sealions to describe the rhetorical trick of continually asking for proof or evidence of obvious things, or of an intentionally wrong version of an opponent's argument, until the opponent is frustrated into quitting.
Straw man is related to the idea of a literal straw man / scarecrow, an intentionally false and weak misrepresentation of an opponent's argument. Something that seems real from a distance but isn't an actual threat and can be easily pushed over.
Reverse cargo cult is a complicated one that requires reading a couple of articles about what a cargo cult is (a real sociological phenomenon). But the gist is someone arguing that there's no such thing as truth, everyone lies, trying to change things is futile, and anyone who seems to be trying to do good is actually lying.
There's plenty of other tricks that don't have popular names (yet) and the best you can do is to describe them. But the first step is recognizing what the other person is trying to do.
This is helpful, thanks!
Isn't it wonderful we live in a world with so many differnet words for lying about politics?
[sarcasm]
He's way too stupid to see beyond a day or two in the future, so when covid hit cities and he realized dem voters were dying he came out against any protective measures. He couldn't understand that it would eventually mean more of his cultists would die off.
3,000,000 in the US. Most of those were in red states.
If he had the capability to put competent people in positions and then let them do their job, then he may have been a successful President instead of a raging nuclear tire fire.
That's what kills me. This guy could have lived out the rest of his days banging pornstars and defrauding investors and no one would have raised an eyebrow until the posthumous Netflix documentary, but no, he had to go and accept the most public job in the country.
He chose this.