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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (22 children)

It's a tough pill to swallow

But 150 years ago, folks were being given swaths of land, not knowing dick about that land, just for like... Fighting in wars.

Now, they let veterans starve and kill themselves.

Just saw a sad gif of a long line at the Costco rotisserie chicken stand.

People won't say enough is enough until they're hungry.

We're close.

The most lucrative positions are experiencing enormous layoffs.

2025-2030 is going to be WWIII and the greatest class war.of all time.

I just hope shit turns out okay for 2030 and beyond. Global warming ain't making that likely.

Sorry for doomer. But we either have a Renaissance era and burn or have an enslavement era and burn. I'm not loving the odds.

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 9 points 9 months ago (21 children)

I am not a historian, but I get a sense that perhaps the intellectuals at least seemed to think that democracy (in the USA specifically, but also perhaps everywhere?) were just waiting to see how this grand "experiment" turns out. So there has practically always (since 1776 when the fire of democracy was re-ignited in the world after its long hiatus) been this expectation that we might someday fail, and each time something highly challenging comes around they likely re-visited that thought that perhaps it would be soon?

The difference is that this time, it's for real. Even if there were solves already in-place for both globalization and automation, how would climate change be dealt with? I am not saying that it's a 100% certainty - nothing ever truly is, until it has already happened - but I am agreeing with you that there seems less room for hope than ever before, that our way of life will survive intact.

I predict, for instance, that people will start demanding that their employers offer them housing. They might even start demanding longer-term contracts. In essence, they WANT slavery, as opposed to what is coming: anarchy & lawlessness. What good is "freedom" when you have no home, no job, no food, and can't do what you want anyway? This whole "government = bad" idea will cause many people to take refuge in the only other thing that offers even a glimpse of a good(-ish) life: enslavement to corporations. In return they will house, feed, and clothe you - if only barely - and you will in turn commit your very soul to looking after their needs rather than your own, including devoting every waking moment of... oh my, we are already there! (except without the "taking care of you part")

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

It's an interesting perspective. Wherein I see people deliberately destroying property of the "automated" on a scale of property damage the world has never seen.

Like it won't be kings heads rolling. It'll be their drones burning.

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean sure, that too but... what would it accomplish really? There is an arms race, but look at Bill Gate's house... exactly (first, where is it, second, which one(s), third, they are on like entire HUGE islands, fourth they can move the whole thing at a moment's notice, fifth there are other defensive options too, etc. etc. etc.), plus there will always be the "collaborators" who will say "but no, they are the JOB creators" as if that justifies doing, or not doing, anything at all.

Anyway, tech has reached the point that we can put it inside of our very bodies, to hide & power it, plus with CRISPR the tech flat-out becomes our bodies. At least, if you are talking about the stuff available to ~~billionaires~~ trillionaires, whereas to us "normies" all we get are cellphones to mollify & pacify us, yay (and even that privilege comes at the cost of also tracking us, plus can be taken away if we do not cooperate fully or fast enough).

Anyway, tech is neither Good nor Evil, it simply is - and automation isn't the problem, though it could be part of the solution, e.g. if it were to solve climate change for us?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

but look at Bill Gate's house... exactly (first, where is it,

1835 73rd Ave NE, Medina, Washington, USA

You can drive right up to the front gate, but that's as far as you'll get. The entire property is built for security. 2/3rds of it is underground, one side of it is against a cliff, and the gate itself is solid steel, probably 10 inches thick. I've been there, and you can't see anything except for the gate and guardhouse from the street. Beyond the front gate are buildings on both sides before the second gate, like an old castle barbican, complete with kill zone.

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It makes sense. It might also be the house of like his butler who delivers him food occasionally, while he himself lives in a plane flying around the earth that never sets down... or something. I am mostly joking here ofc:-).

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Would you put your Buttler up in a 131 million dollar 48,160 sq ft mansion on Lake Washington, in the most expensive city in Washington?

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 0 points 9 months ago

I don't think what you or I would do is anywhere close to an accurate measure as to what to expect from one of the richest people on the planet... But if I were swimming in money, then yeah - I'd for sure share it with others. That must be the reason why I am not a trillionaire:-).

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