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TIL: There are several mass shooting lists for countries other than the US, on Wikipedia
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The difference is that often times those countries are doing a lot to prevent those mass shootings and the cases where it still happens represents someone who broke several laws to facilitate an act of terrorism, rather than someone who faced next to no legal barriers to anything they did up until they pointed the gun they acquired into a crowd.
In other countries you'll be writing to patch the holes that the shooter exploited, while in the US we're literally facing militant opposition to the idea of there even being a wet paper towel for there to be holes in regarding legal barriers to excessive firearms and ammunition acquisition.
That's because there are more firearms in civ hands in the USA than there are in all the militaries combined. Unless you plan on going door to door and forcefully taking these firearms (even then, criminals are not going to hand them over) , no amount of laws will stop someone who wants to do harm with one from obtaining one and using it.
There is a lot of stuff we can do that'll drop our violence overall by helping our society.
We can start with:
Single payer healthcare
Ending the War on Drugs
Ending Qualified immunity
Properly funding our schools and not just rich white suburb schools.
Build more schools and hire more teachers for proper pay so the class room sizes aren't 30-40 kids for one teacher.
UBI (at least start talking about it) once AI takes over most of the blue collar jobs.
End for profit prisons
Enforce the laws already on the books
Make sure there are safety nets for poor families so the kids don't turn to violence/gangs to survive.
Increase the minimum wage
Recreate our mental healthcare so kids don't turn to the internet for support. And to help veterans not end up as a suicide number.
Actively make a law to solidify Pro-choice rights. More unwanted children does not help our situation.
Banning Insider Trading for Congress
Term limits
Ranked Choice Voting so we can move away from a 2 party system
Literally this entire comment is you forgetting buybacks are a thing that worked incredibly in other countries that did them.
Or grandfather policies for guns that can be proved to have been bought before regulations went into place.
Or just subsidizing adequate separated storage for firearms and ammunition.
Or even something as simple as titling and insuring weapons to close the gunshow loophole.
No they did not, the buy back they did in Australia, had a 60% rate. They also had a very small group of owners, 1million firearms in civ hands was the estimate...if 40% don't turn their firearms in it's still over 100million in civ hands. Buy backs do not work. Period.
Care to clarify this one? No one is shooting people with 1899 rifles.
Again how do you enforce this? And what makes you think criminals will follow these rules?
You mean registration....good luck with that. And there is no gun show loophole. That's the dumbest shit ever. Private sales are still private sales. If an FFL sells at a gun show, you will have to pass a BG check.
Alright, let's dig into this hot mess,
> literally provides example of buybacks working and removing a majority and change of all civlian owned firearms
> "BuYbAcKs Do NoT wOrK. pErIoD."
If you have a gun a new law would make illegal it's immune to the new law so long as you can prove it was bought before the law, and you have to sell it directly to the buyback program only.
Same way as in Japan, random once a year visit from the local sherrifs/deputies to spot check everything is stored and accounted for in proper order. No different than kit inspection in the millitary.
Ah so you just don't know anything about what you're talking about and are upsetti spaghetti that your "literally even less effective than waving a literal security blanket in an attacker's face" security blanket firearm is being scrutinized. I'm picturing you sweating about how we must be aiming to take your coal roller next!
Yes please show us how your about to cram your foot into your mouth.
Well that's a strong start...you didn't provide shit showing buy backs work... I'll give you a second chance.
Ah the classic mocking camel casing, because you actually lack a coherent thought to type out. Really strong opening so far.
We'll use an anti gun source for this one:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/16/us/chicago-gun-buybacks/index.html
What in the fuck does this even mean, can you use a comma or...Jesus I don't even know if a fucking comma is gonna help
Lol so who's paying these people to go to every gun owners home? 1/3rd of Americans own a firearm(this is a debatable number because not everyone reports having them and you can get them without ever buying one from a store)...so who do you plan on hiring to go around and check on 90+ million firearm owners?
Lol you might want to go read my other comments... you're arguing with someone on the left and not some idiot repub/conservative trumpist. I literally want federal law for abortion rights, single payer, legalizing all drugs, safety nets, UBI, reforming the police, ending qualified immunity, ending for profit prisons, paying teachers more, pro union, anti-right to work law, raising the minimum wage, pro LGBTQ+... basically everything the majority of the left agrees with... except I'm a die hard 2a supporter...armed minorities are harder to oppress.
None of your points have anything to do with guns.
I think having less guns in the hand of people would mean there’s less gun crime.
Not being able to open carry ever would help too.
Lol no shit, because guns aren't the issue, 85% of our homicides are from inner-city gang violence. There are 450+ million firearms in civ hands in the USA, if they where the problem you'd know.
Our society is broken, and we need to fix the root cause of our violence, not putting in bullshit laws that criminals will not follow anyways. Did you know that 3xs as many people are killed with knives than ALL rifles combined each year? And 2Xs as many via hands and feet(unarmed)? And that only around 50-100 people a year are killed with the AR-15 platform, this includes the police who kill 1k of us on average a year.
We do not have a gun problem. We've got a society problem and it can be corrected, we just need to have change.
The amount of mass shooting that happen in the states show that there is a gun problem.
Let me guess your going to bring up the gun violence archive right? Yeah we do not have anywhere near the amount claimed. Even motherjones and NPR called out the bullshit from these types of groups.
I only brought up the mass shootings that happen on a daily basis in the states.
Are you going to address that or are you going to continue to blame everything else?
We do not have mass shootings on a daily basis. Again that list has been proven bullshit.
647 mass shootings in the US in 2022.
I’m not mathematician but 647 is more than 365.
Yes the bullshit number. No we haven't had that many mass shootings.
It's well known that mother Jones is super far left, and even they call out the bullshit number. So while you aren't a mathematician, I do hope you're not a gullible person.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/no-there-were-not-355-mass-shootings-this-year/
You’re linking an article from 2015 to explain a number from 2022 and taking about a webpage being ‘super far-left.’
I’m taking guns and mass shooting events. There are people dead from these.
Do you believe that?
Way to discredit it because it's a few years old. The numbers keep changing because they're bullshit numbers designed for gullible people like you to think that there are mass shootings daily.
Then you might actually want to go check up on your sources...cause the guns violence archive, will label a mass shooting as 4 or more people injured after a firearm has been discharged. So if a gang member shoots are another person during a block party, misses and then cause people to run, the ensuing panic causes people to get hurt... that's now a mass shooting to the GVA.
I find it amusing that you want to talk about anything besides what this conversation is about and that’s guns and mass shootings.
I keep trying to bring the conversation back to this and you keep trying to bring up your taking points.
Why don’t you want to talk about guns and mass shootings?
I have been, I've literally pointed out multiple times how to solve the issues within our society for not just gun violence but overall violence, but you're to stuck on pointing out that it's the guns. You're the type that'll try and put a bandaid on cancer and hope it works. News flash it doesn't.
You are literally claiming that America does not have a mass shooting problem.
Because we don't.
Why are you making suggestions to solve a problem that doesn’t exist?
Because suicides and gang violence is way to high, why are you so against making sure people are secure and don't need to resort to living in poverty? Cause to you, it's just a gun problem and if we magically get rid of the guns everything else is fine.
Reminder, we’re talking about America’s gun problem so discussing guns in that context makes perfect sense.
But you keep trying to shift the topic and score cheap gotchas instead of discussing the problem.
Nooo you don't say I thought I was discussing China's gun problem....I am discussing the problem, you're just to ignorant to understand that trying to ban guns and add more laws isn't going to fix the problem, because you want to give a bandaid to a cancer patient.
Did you conveniently forget handguns in your examples? The statistic shows that firearms are the most used tool for homicides by a huge margin.
Guns: 7936 Unspecified Firearms: 5704 Knives: 1630 Hands, Fists, Feet...: 665 Rifles: 541 ...
Also >50% of all suicides are commited via firearms
And we still haven't talked about all the accidents with guns...
The USA have several big fucking problems and firearms are a huge one.
Nope because everyone seems to want to ban the scary black rifle first. It's why AWBs are constantly brought up.
Congrats for providing the info..I don't know what you are getting at with this. It's literally what I said it was.
No shit? Really? It's like we have an issue with suicide and not guns....go check out Japan's numbers which it's damn near impossible to obtain a firearm...they have a higher suicide rate than us. Wanna blame their rate on guns or something else?
Uhh, more people are killed falling off tractors or drowning in pools than from firearm accidents...granted I don't call them accidents... it's negligence.
Naa, 450+ million firearms in civ hands, if there was a problem it'd be a lot bigger than the 40k deaths a year we have now, which as you said 50+% are suicides(it's closer to 66% btw).
The discussion was clearly about firearms.
I added some context, mainly the fucking insane amount of handgun deaths. Btw, how many rifles do you think are in the unspecified Firearms category?
You have ton of problema and they are compounding. Easy access to guns leads to many impulsive suicides. Usa has a mental health AND an gun problem.
And you are deep in denial.
O...you don't know what the AWB is do you? I'm arguing with someone who has zero clue about the subject matter.
Uhh, again people know this. In fact this "shooting" still is showing no mass shooting motivation and these two juveniles and the others not caught used handguns. We %100 know handguns are the majority of what is used in crime. This isn't a news to anyone who actually knows the topic.
Also very few, why? Because we already know the majority of our firearm violence are via handguns. That unknown number isn't going to magically be all rifles.
Again, care to go check out Japan? Higher rate of suicide, no access to guns. I'm still waiting on why this is from you. Or are you going to continue to ignore basically everything I keep saying and triple down on the "it's the guns" bullshit.
Sounds like you are since you can't be bothered to actually give a fuck to understand what I've been writing up in this thread.
Assault weapons ban. I just don't know what this has to do with a discussion about way to many firearm deaths and mass shootings. It would be a step, but unless you also regulate handguns its not enough.
Just as a reminder, this comment by another user sparked your rant about rifles:
So thats why I added the context of handguns.
What are you referring to?
Conservative Society, huge conformity pressure, stigma on mental problems and more factors lead to a high suicide rate. But without access to a quick and easy way to end your life it's harder to kill yourself.
Yeah, you are the only one in this thread who understands it.
Because that's the first thing that gets pushed over and over. It's feel good virtue signaling that will do nothing to reduce our violence.
Cool, and as I pointed out, good luck trying to take them up.
The Kansas City gang shootout during the Superbowl parade. That's what has sparked these threads again.
So you can't answer the question then...they have a higher suicide rate and cannot get firearms at all. So is it the guns causing people to kill themselves or something else?
Naa plenty do, it's a list of things that would have actual impact on our violence problem, and not just our gun violence. But a good number of you don't like meaningful discussion that doesn't involve, ban all guns, because you have such a ignorant view of them that you'd rather have them Dems spend the political capital on trying to pass another AWB than try and get even the most minor things on that list pushed through.
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