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I want to make it clear that I am in no way, downplaying the alarming amount of shootings that occur in the US. Just that it was engrossing to see so many accounts of mass shootings in other countries, spanning decades.

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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did you conveniently forget handguns in your examples? The statistic shows that firearms are the most used tool for homicides by a huge margin.

Nope because everyone seems to want to ban the scary black rifle first. It's why AWBs are constantly brought up.

Guns: 7936 Unspecified Firearms: 5704 Knives: 1630 Hands, Fists, Feet...: 665 Rifles: 541

Congrats for providing the info..I don't know what you are getting at with this. It's literally what I said it was.

Also >50% of all suicides are commited via firearms

No shit? Really? It's like we have an issue with suicide and not guns....go check out Japan's numbers which it's damn near impossible to obtain a firearm...they have a higher suicide rate than us. Wanna blame their rate on guns or something else?

And we still haven't talked about all the accidents with guns...

Uhh, more people are killed falling off tractors or drowning in pools than from firearm accidents...granted I don't call them accidents... it's negligence.

The USA have several big fucking problems and firearms are a huge one.

Naa, 450+ million firearms in civ hands, if there was a problem it'd be a lot bigger than the 40k deaths a year we have now, which as you said 50+% are suicides(it's closer to 66% btw).

[–] derGottesknecht@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nope because everyone seems to want to ban the scary black rifle first. It's why AWBs are constantly brought up.

The discussion was clearly about firearms.

Congrats for providing the info..I don't know what you are getting at with this. It's literally what I said it was.

I added some context, mainly the fucking insane amount of handgun deaths. Btw, how many rifles do you think are in the unspecified Firearms category?

No shit? Really? It's like we have an issue with suicide and not guns

You have ton of problema and they are compounding. Easy access to guns leads to many impulsive suicides. Usa has a mental health AND an gun problem.

And you are deep in denial.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The discussion was clearly about firearms.

O...you don't know what the AWB is do you? I'm arguing with someone who has zero clue about the subject matter.

I added some context, mainly the fucking insane amount of handgun deaths. Btw, how many rifles do you think are in the unspecified Firearms category?

Uhh, again people know this. In fact this "shooting" still is showing no mass shooting motivation and these two juveniles and the others not caught used handguns. We %100 know handguns are the majority of what is used in crime. This isn't a news to anyone who actually knows the topic.

Also very few, why? Because we already know the majority of our firearm violence are via handguns. That unknown number isn't going to magically be all rifles.

You have ton of problema and they are compounding. Easy access to guns leads to many impulsive suicides. Usa has a mental health AND an gun problem.

Again, care to go check out Japan? Higher rate of suicide, no access to guns. I'm still waiting on why this is from you. Or are you going to continue to ignore basically everything I keep saying and triple down on the "it's the guns" bullshit.

And you are deep in denial.

Sounds like you are since you can't be bothered to actually give a fuck to understand what I've been writing up in this thread.

[–] derGottesknecht@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

O...you don't know what the AWB is do you?

Assault weapons ban. I just don't know what this has to do with a discussion about way to many firearm deaths and mass shootings. It would be a step, but unless you also regulate handguns its not enough.

Just as a reminder, this comment by another user sparked your rant about rifles:

I think having less guns in the hand of people would mean there’s less gun crime.

So thats why I added the context of handguns.

In fact this "shooting" still is showing no mass shooting motivation and these two juveniles and the others not caught used handguns.

What are you referring to?

Again, care to go check out Japan?

Conservative Society, huge conformity pressure, stigma on mental problems and more factors lead to a high suicide rate. But without access to a quick and easy way to end your life it's harder to kill yourself.

Sounds like you are since you can't be bothered to actually give a fuck to understand what I've been writing up in this thread.

Yeah, you are the only one in this thread who understands it.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Assault weapons ban. I just don't know what this has to do with a discussion about way to many firearm deaths and mass shootings. It would be a step, but unless you also regulate handguns its not enough.

Because that's the first thing that gets pushed over and over. It's feel good virtue signaling that will do nothing to reduce our violence.

Just as a reminder, this comment by another user sparked your rant about rifles So thats why I added the context of handguns.

Cool, and as I pointed out, good luck trying to take them up.

What are you referring to?

The Kansas City gang shootout during the Superbowl parade. That's what has sparked these threads again.

Conservative Society, huge conformity pressure, stigma on mental problems and more factors lead to a high suicide rate. But without access to a quick and easy way to end your life it's harder to kill yourself.

So you can't answer the question then...they have a higher suicide rate and cannot get firearms at all. So is it the guns causing people to kill themselves or something else?

Yeah, you are the only one in this thread who understands it.

Naa plenty do, it's a list of things that would have actual impact on our violence problem, and not just our gun violence. But a good number of you don't like meaningful discussion that doesn't involve, ban all guns, because you have such a ignorant view of them that you'd rather have them Dems spend the political capital on trying to pass another AWB than try and get even the most minor things on that list pushed through.