US government literally told the public through his current ceo that by aiding ukraine USA is fighting russia without getting his hands dirty. That's one way to stab people in the back.

Don't feed up on the propaganda that producing more weapons and sending them to another authoritarian government is a good thing. Governments do that out of convenience, they don't care about people, they stab on the back their own daily.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Problem is that the only two other options is to either turn a blind eye on what looked like the start of a genocide, or having two nuclear power at open war.

Abandon Ukraine means it put its own wellfare above human rights, in which case Putin would be right to despise the West.

Go at war with Russia would put humanity on risk of annihilation as both side has enough nuclear weapons to wipe it out. Multiple times.

Having the Ukrainian choose their destiny by defending their land, while not ideal, is the only option that the West have to stay true to its ideals. The West populations are not blind to their sacrifices, and as long as they are willing to fight for their rightful territory, so are the West to provide the means to do so.

[+] index@sh.itjust.works -12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There's plenty of options such as not trying to conquer the world and waging proxy wars against other nations or as putting money before human lives. The whole west governments gang is supporting genocide in gaza right now, they don't give a shit about people. They profit on wars and seek more of it.

[–] meowgenau@programming.dev 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

such as not trying to conquer the world

Imagine being so deluded as to try to frame the largest country on earth, Russia, as the victim here. How, according to your world view, have they become so big? Did the now-Russian ethnic minorities simply surrender their lands to be taken over by some Slavs in Moscow?

Honestly, you need to have a 10 minute conversation with a Russian to understand how utterly brainwashed they are. The majority of the Russians are rooting for an imperialist fashist.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being so deluded as to try to frame the largest country on earth, Russia, as the victim here

indeed, why are you doing it? If you believe anyone pointing out facts is defending russia you are brainwashed on propaganda.

[–] meowgenau@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Shitty opinions are not facts.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That governments uses tax money to build weapons designed to invade other countries is a fact. Look at what russia and israel are doing right now and what usa has been doing for the past decades. Politicians ambitions are below anyone nose to see, unless you are naive enough to drink into their lies and believe that ukraine need to be denazificated, that everyone in gaza is hamas and that iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

[–] MetaCubed@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Care to explain how the US is currently trying to conquer the world when they are at their least imperialistic point in history? NATO isn't an answer, NATO membership is requested by the member country, not forced by NATO (or the US)

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_military_installations

[–] photoncollector@mastodon.social -2 points 10 months ago

@MetaCubed @index
The US political process is so DYSFUNCTIONAL, that Washington is incapable of making even the simplest decisions. Issues are discussed ad nauseum, but action is rarely taken. Much has been made of action taken against the Houthis, but the Houthis are a disposable asset of Iran. "We have taken action against Iran," is a bald-faced lie. Russia has evil intentions towards the USA, but nothing has been done to make them fear real consequences. The USA looks weak ATM.