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Laptop companies: which one? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by wwwgem@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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Hello fellows,

I'm currently looking in 13-14" laptops with no immediate needs for one but just because it's exciting. I love my Dell XPS but I feel I should support companies with which I share more common views. I could make the effort to go a with a less attractive look (especially for bezels) but I don't want to go wrong with hardware so what are your thoughts on Framework, Starlab, Purism, and System76? I'll be running Arch and I tend to have a preference for Framework for now.

Do you have feedback (positive and negative) to share on any of these companies?

Thanks for the knowledge you'll bring me. That'll be extremely useful when time comes to go with a new machine.

Update 1: Still wonderful to be part of such a great community. Thanks for all the great feedback (looking for more :) ).
So far everyone is standing behind Framework. Anyone with a less positive experience or who would like to speak for the other companies?

Update 2: Thank you fellows for the time you've spent to share your honest feedback! I didn't want to influence your inputs but you all confirmed the Framework picture I had in mind. It's a piece of mind to read real world experience so thanks again. I was surprised to not see the system76 community speaks louder. Anyway, when time comes I will (virtually) push Framework shop's door.

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[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Novacustom or System76, they actually use open Firmware.

[–] wwwgem@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Novacustom... Never heard of it. The almost insignificant disadvantage I can see so far for Framework is that they don't use open-source boot. Everyone so far stand behind Framework. How would you sell me on System76 or Novacustom?

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Framework tried Coreboot, has problems and gave up. When buying a Laptop with coreboot you support open Firmware Development for all CPUs, many board generations etc.

Just look at 3mdeb's Dasharo guide. Its nearly as secure as Heads, on a modern Laptop!

[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Not true, firstly 'framework' never tried Coreboot they have provided boards to coreboot devs however, who've had issues including accidentally bricking the board. New boards have been shipped, and the origional fixed. They haven't given up though completely and the work is still being done. There was a recent talk that had to be canceled due to the speaker getting sick on this subject. Work is likely still being done, but is slow, and will continue to be so.

Still though, there's no evidence that framework has ever had or ever will have the intention of including core-boot by default. They're simply supporting coreboot devs to make it compatable

The reasoning for why the others have it is likely due to system76 and nova customs using mostly generic parts like the shell and motherboard along with being around longer. It's great to support a company that's ensuring coreboot works on their system however and pushing towards a non-proprietary future

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

Thanks for clearing up. Frameworks are probably rather special and thus not as easy to coreboot

[–] wwwgem@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Yes, using coreboot would just have been nice to support open-source from all aspects.