So are we just supposed to allow (heck, even support!) Ukraine despite them implementing a system of modern slavery for their people, blocking civilians from fleeing, and forced conscription, some of it even slated to last even beyond the end of the war, because to even criticise it is "helping Russia"? Helping Russia do what, exactly? Look better than Ukraine? That's on Ukraine to be the big boy.

This is not Call of Duty, a war is waged for political reasons, and therefore the politics of it should be laid bare.

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, you should support Ukraine. No it's not slavery.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Care to elaborate? AFAIK, forced labour under the threat of harm and no conditions for escape fits very well into most modern definitions of slavery. But go on, why should I support Ukraine despite this?

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are being invaded.

But you don't care about that, you're a tankie who defends genocide.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't follow. Yes, they are at war. How does that justify labour conscriptions and banning fleeing? I do care about people not dying and having dignity, you see. But sending teenagers into slaughter or forcing them to work to that same slaughter industry doesn't help anybody. It is basically a self-genocide by the Ukrainian government. No wonder that it started as a war against eastern Ukrainians.

Who here exactly defends genocide when the only thing I want in this war is for the suicidal tactics of the Ukrainian government to pause for a second so that civilians can flee and live better lives elsewhere? But you don't care about that, you're a liberal who will justify every war crime from your favourite North Atlantic countries and their puppet governments, under the guise of empathy.

See, 2 can play that game of ad hominem. Answer the question: "How is this not comparable to a modern slave state?"

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Theres also a difference between these actions to defend a far right corrupt regime and some actual democracy

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're excusing the genocide of the separatist regions and making up nonsense about this being ww2 2.0. You're the real genocide denier.

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Proving once again you're just a genocide apologist willing to use "genocide" to excuse a genocide.

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bro i'm not the one pretending this war is a genocide against Ukrainians

[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

You literally are.

[–] Durotar@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are not implementing a system of modern slavery, they're protecting their country and fighting for their lives.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm quoting again:

The new draft law on the mobilization of workers is intended to "ensure the functioning of the national economy under martial law", in the words of those drafting the law. It is noteworthy that in early August, Ukraine began to talk about a likely ban against military conscripts leaving the country for three years following an eventual end to military hostilities and martial law. Just such a proposal was recently made by Vadym Denysenko [...], head of the Ukrainian Institute for the Future and a former advisor to the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs. Denysenko said, "I am sure that even after the war it will be necessary to extend the ban on men traveling abroad for at least another three years. Otherwise, we simply will not survive as a nation."

Please illuminate me in your wisdom, how banning people from leaving while conscripting them to either fight in the front or forced labour is not a form slavery. Whose lives are being saved by arresting people trying to flee the country?

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't you get it? People come and go, they live and die but what lasts is lines on maps. The lines on the map are the only thing that matters. If Russia moves the line on the map into Ukraine to cover people that want to live in Russia whats to stop them from moving other lines into other nations where people who speak Russian feel persecuted by their government and nazis?

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

People over here sound so much like CK2 players that I get flashbacks to the thrashfire Pagan Fury dlc soundtrack. "You don't understand, they're fighting a genocide! Which is why we must conscript and self-genocide the entirety of Ukraine to prevent the separatist half of Ukraine from being genocided by their allies!"

[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus, you sound psychotic. borderline nationalist. people being forced into slavery for the sake of their countey? for the sake of the donbas? really? would you be a slave for lines on a map?

like, seriously. jews in the Holocaust did hard labor for Germany's lines on the map. is that justified? to save germany from the allies? what is wrong with you?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're correct but you might wanna check your sarcasm detector lol

[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

holy hell, thank god that was satire. when i saw this post i was just staring open mouthed at my monitor, stunned at how insensitive someone could be. lmao, im pretty dumb for that