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It's all part of the left's heinous GGI policies. No one is safe.

I will deepthroat whatever I want.

No, I'm saying a percentage of leftists helped Trump win because they succumbed to propaganda. IMO, the leftists that opted out of voting for Harris don't get to pretend like they did it to help Palestine. Trump getting back into office is, and was always going to be worse for Palestine. Seeing as you're willing to put words into my mouth, this is the only response you're going to get from me. Not interested in conversing with rage-fueled teenagers.

No, unfortunately, the amount of people protesting during the election wasn't enough. If we had protests like the anti-ice/no-kings protests, with a Harris administration at the helm, it might make a difference. The real pressure, however, would come from the recent gathering at the UN and the (very late) release of the UN's independent commission that found that Isreal is, in fact, committing genocide in Palestine. UK and Spain formally recognizing Palestine's statehood would've likely had a huge impact, especially now that 145 countries have joined them. There would also be considerable pressure being applied by democratic congressmen/congresswomen because every single one of them would be in danger of losing their seats if there's no action on the progressing genocide. Things are a little more complicated for the people leading the governments of the world. Unfortunately, We The People, have to work a little harder to get want we want from our government, and that's not going to change overnight. IMO, the people who sat out the election don't get to call themselves the "pro-palestine" movement. By not voting, they may have made their voices heard, but in the worst way possible, given that the result was Trump winning the election. That outcome is objectively worse for everyone affected by the genocide in Palestine, and every minority in the US.

You may not want to acknowledge that you (if you didn't vote for Harris) contributed to Trump getting back into office. But, it doesn't matter how you feel. Your feelings don't change the way political machinations work. Longterm strategy and effort is what changes that. Everyone that didn't vote chose the short-term, shortsighted strategy, and look where it got us.

Ok. Good chat.

I'm not defending her. I'm trying to make the point that she has, and will respond if there's enough political pressure. That's all I've been saying. Yes, she has demonstrated that she wants the public to believe that she values human lives. I would take a politician that does that over one that does nothing but create chaos. I never said she's actually a good person. Stop putting words in my mouth and try to understand what I'm saying before you respond.

Right. She doesn't deserve that kind of respect. But, surely we can recognize that she's also not openly authoritarian, like he other option we were given. I don't pay attention to her, or any politician, outside of what they are currently doing while they're in office or what they did while they were in office and are running for another term. I'm not sure what point you're trying to communicate.

I'm not sure what your argument is meant to accomplish. I'm not a Kamala Harris supporter. I don't think she's actually a good person. I'm fully aware of how broken the democratic establishment is.. Thanks for agreeing with the point I was making, I guess...

It's reality. It sucks, but it's the options we were given. It doesn't matter if you think it's a weak argument. People like you didn't vote because you didn't get your perfect politician that checked every box for you, and here we are with fascist toddlers back in the white house, destroying as much as they can. Congratulations. I'm sure the neoliberals really learned their lesson this time.

Chance vs. No chance. That's the argument. One is better than the other.

Makes sense.

She's a politician. Everything's an act. She's also not openly fascist. The other option we were given is. I really don't see how this is hard for so many of y'all.