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Yep, the vast majority of the teams mentioned are used exclusively for private companies and public institutions to report cyberattacks, taking down phishing sites and issuing guidance on things like the minimum password length. Or protecting military against cyber threats - would suck if you had, let’s say, drones, that during the wartime turn out to be compromised by the enemy army and sabotage your operations. That’s perfectly understandable and different than stealing trade secrets via cyberattacks. Therefore I’ve asked for actual reports of actual hacks conducted by any of the countries I’ve mentioned

What technologies Germany, Poland, Singapore or Norway stole since the fall of USSR if that’s the case? I can name many technologies that China stole, that the US stole, but definitely don’t see it as a critical piece for all nations. Most countries don’t even have hackers nor network of spies capable of stealing other countries’ valuable trade secrets

Sorry, fixed

Bill Gates doesn’t sell cars

Yes, I’ve been there multiple times. I have seen people who went to jail for sending a political meme on a private WeChat group because Xi felt insulted. Even in the US which is in a huge democratic backsliding for years, it’s nowhere that bad. In China there’s also “massive false information” but the thing is, it’s all government-run propaganda only and the rest of the world’s media is blocked. In the US, you can read Al Jazeera if you don’t like the American media narratives. In China you can’t. In USA, you can use Lemmy to laugh about Trump’s fake tan. In China Lemmy is blocked and even if it wasn’t, laughing at Xi gets you in jail. There’s no political freedom in China, even if it’s in shambles in the US now, let alone countries with a working democracy like Switzerland.

Hong Kong is not mainland China, you picked one of the only two places (alongside Macau) that doesn’t have a censored internet in China. Regular Chinese need to pay $30 for a visa/entry permit to Hong Kong. Hong Kong has a different system than Mainland China. When taking about China, I am talking about mainland China and not a special administrative region of Hong Kong, obviously.

Regarding the economy (I’ve never mentioned it and it has nothing to do with democracy but ok), many people in China also can’t afford health care and are living paycheck to paycheck (or worse). China is not just Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen. Do you think 120 yuan pension is enough in the Chinese village near Chengdu? That’s what grandparents of one of my Chinese friend make. Asked her if that’s enough, she laughed and replied “of course not!”. Do you think they were able to before retiring, working their whole lives as farmers? Do you really think such people don’t live paycheck to paycheck and it’s USA-exclusive issue than China doesn’t have? Do you know how many months of a median wage you need to work for a house in any major city in China vs in the US (spoiler: it’s even longer than in the US).

Summing up: the political freedom is still lower in China than in any flawed democracy (as I stated before), and China also has its economic issues which you seem to neglect. Yes, USA has those too, but it’s still among the richest countries in the world. You would be better off in many European countries if you’re poor but not in China.

Would be great if the competition was not about stealing others' technologies

Just a friendly reminder that China is still much worse than any flawed democracy when it comes to freedom

Shame on some EU countries

And the UK too

Holding people who enabled this accountable won’t fix the core issue, there’s always gonna be someone in the whole EU wanting to make the same thing, even if you cut one of the hydra’s heads. Better to work on improving the mechanisms of detecting the operations between the Russian companies instead

I am not outraged; quite the opposite - amused. Sorry if you find it bizarre. Imagine the same headline but replacing Liberian with Australian

I am not a Trump supporter, you can check my posts history on Lemmy. I am not defending Trump, I am talking about the news’ headline