Genocide occurs with either one. Get a clue. If you dont like it, tell your reps and stfu about peoples voting decisions. Its not your place to judge their decisions with their votes.
If harris loses because of her support for genocide thats on her for not reading the room in two of only 5 states that matter.
Sucks to be her and the Democrats but thems the breaks when your partisan and incapable of doing the right thing
Lol. Well they were alive until Israel started genociding so likely all of them? They gave no value dead.
Frankly it doesn't matter Hamas and Israel government are shit groups that have been killing each other for decades. We never should have created Israel in the first place. It was doomed to bloodshed from the moment it was thought of.
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The next best time is now. Take your Zionist bs elsewhere.
The only correct take to have.
lol wow thats nonsense. (that such a rule exists) =)
I'd probably lay the majority at their feet. between turning the region into a war zone, starvation etc, the chances of them surviving the situation is close to zero. as far as wikipedia is concerned out of the 251 hostages.....
so frankly Israel's track record here for 'rescuing' the hostages is pretty abysmal. and I can't think of a worse way than to turn a region into a war zone to rescue them. so far it looks like hamas has been fairly willing to negotiate prisoner releases. who knows if thats still the case though. since you know we killed off the leader who was looking to get a peace deal. but I doubt many more are going to be returned alive after this. I feel for those families and its unfortunate their countries leadership is going to get most of them killed.
but at the end of the day it doesn't matter who killed those hostages. they're dead and nothing will change that. all I know is turning the region into a blood bath didn't help their chances.
Writing in a name won't invalidate a ballot, at least not in any state i'm aware of, what lead you to say that? genuinely curious.
it’s a binary choice
its not, as evidenced by the fact there are 5 options, now as we both obviously know FPTP is a horrible system and leads to a collapse of viable parties, but even in that situation you have 3 options. A,B, Neither. and I'm nethier. neither kamala nor trump have policies that i support. and trump can't impact the larger scheme of things i care about my local government prevents that.
non-participation benefits the crueler conservatives
no its a neutral stance, and you're upset that people dont care about your prefered candidate because she doesn't bring anything to the table that my state doesn't already have. if i lived in texas/florida the equation would be different but i don't and harris will easily win in my state.
And that’s the programme. It’s been explained so many fucking times that I’m not sure how “but her emails” you need to be not to get it.
but you don't get it. harris doesn't bring anything to the table. if i was an arab in michigan right now i'd be looking at her ticket and going:
If voting 3rd candidate gets that person to the poll booth and they vote 3rd party/blank/etc and down ticket dems vs not showing up at all. I take that as a win. Its not our fault harris, the alleged law and order candidate, wouldn't commit to enforcing the law on arms sales. if the zionists have a problem with that, well thats on them, maybe you should bitch about them being intransigent about fucking genocide.
Try to clue in before voting, okay?
already voted mate, maybe get a clue in the future on the entire system before opening your mouth. you're position only is rational by assuming there is only one office on the ballot. sadly harris didn't turn it around in time to win my vote. but thats her fault not mine. I have a laundry list of issues that if she ticket any of them personally I would have voted for her. she didn't. not my fault. genocide was just one of the ones where the ask was so small it should have been a no brainer. If the majority of the zionists are willing to support trump if harris won't sell israel weapons I don't particular care and think you should save your ire for them not me.
I'm not preventing harris from not being genocidal thats on her, I'm not stopping zionists from recognizing that israel's behavior is unconscionable, thats on them. If harris loses because of israel's behavior feel free to bitch at those voters they're the ones who caused the loss by not supporting their brothers and sisters of another faith from being subject to a genocidal war.
I'm not the one preventing us changing our voting system to ranked choice. that's on the DNC/GOP. Hell I've canvased and gathered signatures for the damn thing in my state what have you fucking done to kill the spoiler effect?
I'm simply not going to give my vote to a candidate who won't commit to supporting labor and won't commit to not committing a genocide; especially when it won't change the outcome in any manner.
Abilene effect
also what makes you think we're part of the same group? This simply doesn't apply.
edit: changed jews -> zionists, because its not the jews in america causing this problem.
see she could also have said: I'll happily address your concerns at the end, please feel free to stay until then. and then done so. instead they're escorted away and she never mentions the issue again. shes trying to ignore the issue and its going to cost her, maybe it costs her the election, maybe it doesn't we wont know until the votes are in. sadly it cost her my vote, but im not in a swing state.
We're are not backing trump either. you just have to live without our support. if you have enough votes great. meanwhile many of these people may vote third party and vote for dems down ticket; as I did. which is still a win overall for dems, just means harris might have less votes. which if they're in a state like i am that is 20+ lean dem a non-issue for harris.
while we like bernie he doesnt control our votes. harris can re-earn our votes if she wins and about faces on the issue. if she doesnt win, well thats on her for her decisions on a number of issues that would have personally caused my vote to be cast for her. none of which she was willing to give.
people are scanning, it happens, done it myself. the problem is people are so scared of harris losing they're attacking people who have no interest in supporting harris as a result of this issue and think that will somehow get them to vote harris. shrug
if harris loses she loses and thats on her. she wants to play the law and order candidate while simultaneously not committing to upholding the laws we have on the books and enabling a genocide well thats on her.
Can't help that shes committing the same errors of judgement that biden did and we didn't support him either after he started breaking strikes and enabling genocide.
No one is asking her to do anything as VP, this person is saying harris is committed to enabling israel's genocide and has a history of supporting israel unconditionally. we want her to commit to upholding american laws around not supplying arms genocidal regimes as president; which israel categorically is currently. literally every organization that has investigated israeli conduct in Gaza and now Lebanon has come to the same conclusion. The UN, WHO, our own internal analysis.
They've gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.
Incorrect, you can see Harris scrambling for votes from other groups the dnc has also disenfranchised. This entire conversation id proof that its not a wash. Its a net loss for the dems. There are only so many times a group can say but we're better than those guys whole doing the exact same thing as those guys before people laugh and tune them out.
DNC wants votes?
My vote was up for grabs by the dnc and they decided to stay the course. Biden lost my vote when he committed to breaking a strike and then a genocide. Thats on them. Dont like it bitch at them for running a shitty platform.
At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress