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Fair, I didnt mention GDP for the same reasons. Its basically a useless metric, never really found a time or place where GDP was actually a useful way to measure productivity.

I believe thats what apnews/reuters do and a lot of newpapers piggy back off them for national/international news but add their own spin to it.

it depends on the sector; there are critical components to our advance technologies we're 100% dependent on other countries for. robotics in particular is absolutely fucked for the computing components they need and low cost electronics. both problems are easily resolved by building highly automated factories in the US to produce them.

GDP wasn't part of my analysis. the issue is we've over fitted and are dependent on a number of outside partners and a absolutely fucked middle class. No one cares if its a shrinking portion of total GDP. Farming is also a shrinking share while simultaneously increasing in output.

the problems are that when you encounter disagreements with remote nations you cant compensate for the friction quickly because you literally outsourced all the labor and knowledge to the entity you're now in a disagreement with.

What should be happening is nation require %age of critical manufacturing be required 100% manufactured within their own borders ensuring a maintained skill set and worker base that can be grown if needed without causing giant increases in overall costs.

TMSC is a great of example of the problem. even when we tried to force them to manufacture a percentage in the states it took years to spin up a single foundry. Same issue is happening when companies try to out source software/engineering development. Those skills are hard to replace unless they're actively being developed and practiced.

Manufacturing related jobs can and will come back, we just need to make a concentrated effort to do so without making it an all or nothing proposition.

What we should be doing is placing high taxes on companies like apple/microsoft/google/aws that is deferred for the next few years to meet certain manufacturing goals and if they do get there and maintain the ratio then they dont have to pay those taxes. If they dont then they have to pay the back taxes + high and higher taxes each year they dont meet them.

its really not. 'its happens to every developed country!' is an intellectual cop out. first off: if it was inevitable that any developed country will stop manufacturing, then by definition eventually no country will have manufacturing or some countries are prevented from developing in order to maintain a manufacturing base. The former is impossible and the latter is a morally bankrupt position.

the reason manufacturing has declined is because western societies have over fitted for cheap goods and a decaying economic base. there are other ways than tarriffs to resolve the problem but they all end up as a tax that needs to be paid.

There are broader impacts than just middle class issues; there is a lack of local resources and familiarity that prevent confluences of ideas/know how across domains.

the cold hard truth is western societies need to bring a much larger and broader fraction of their consumption in house in order to maintain a reliable and robust economy.

Id upboat this but that might be used as evidence of libel.

Lol thanks for that, i stopped watching after minute 5.

That is a dynamic rate by definition, not saying its perfect. But its available to any dev whos game hits those numbers.

So is valves. Shrug. Simply using the publicly available information.

Thought i responded to this, but oh well will do it again.

Epic, EA, Microsoft, sony, ubisoft all have a long history of poor worker conditions or anti-consumer practices.

Valve and gog have 20+ years of decent but not perfect history of worker and pro gamer practices.

The contention in this thread is from people who think valve cant be trusted because capitalism and those who say as long as they continue good behavior they're a better choice than any of the others in the space. While epic has never shown this procommunity behavior.

Basically gog is valves only real competitor and since they dont support linux or provide many of the game featurss valve does for developers its no contest.

Gog doesnt support linux or id look at them. But they also charge 30%

Thats because they have a reputational problem that makes them toxic to the gamer base. If they ever get market share that split will change willy nilly.

You go write that text book. Let me know when you publish your first game, you clearly have it all figured out! You know... minus the basics.

Your problem is you're antivalve for reasons no one really gives a shit about. Your issues with valve are not the %age it charges for sales on its steam store, but with moral positions you have personally and it colors your viewpoints.

Facts: valve has charged a 30% commission since it made steam available for other studios to use.

Fact: no one complained for literally 15 years.

Fact: complaints about the split start after two things occurred. Massive inflation cutting into margins and steam dominating the distribution of games.

You're arguments to date have been: Gabe/valve are bad people because they're a monopoly! Here are issues from over a decade that are no longer even relevant.

Like if you want to argue that the percentage valve takes is too high, then sure we can discuss that. And hey, you wont even hear a peep from me in that case. Because its true imo.

But the problem is GOG also takes 30%. And every other distributor has reputational issues that make them non-starters.

unless you have a valid and active issue with valves practices that are unique to valve maybe its time to take the L, fuck off on this topic, and get a clue? Because no one is defending valve because they're valve. We're defending them because they're the best company in the market for consumers.