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Habe mich neu eingeloggt und dann ging wieder alles

OMG I hate you so much for that pun.

Is clever tho.

Also not great, although I have to say that it's quite a lot easier to criticize the US military than it is to criticize the Russian military.

If europe starts to feel very french now, that's probably a good thing.

which, seeing as the response was an immediate accusation of bad faith, I feel is more accurate

And here's your problem. You are assuming this, even though he made it clesr thst he didn't appreciate how you assumed we are fine with all the other countries. Nobody said that, and we are not, so no, the first statement was more accurate. Which is also pretty logical, because we are talking about Russia this way BECAUSE of the warmongering, and not because "it's Russia".

And I'm pretty sure the bad faith accusation came specifically BECAUSE you are distracting from this with whataboutism.

It's like saying "we should get rid of Kim Jong Un" and someone else going "ok but what about Xi Jin Ping" - there's no reason to bring this up unless you wanna confront the original argument with distraction or a slippery slope argument.

If you agree, say it like I proposed to you. If you don't, because:

for some reason none of them induce neither the level outrage, nor the hostility to anyone not sharing the level of outrage That's whataboutism and it's dangerous. No need to assume it's only a Russia thing.

Maybe Russia was the point where people were fed up with it, maybe the media didn't report enough about the other conflicts, maybe ppl didn't have the energy to be outraged every time, ...

Don't attribute anything to malice that can be described through different means. The world is complex.

Your argument can be roughly translated to "so whst about those other countries then? Shouldn't they need to be excluded as well?". The point is, no one is disagreeing with you, but you are distracting from the fact that Russia is one of those countries. I'm also unsure if you are intentionally doing it, but you are doing it.

You can do this in a different way: instead of "but what about those countries?" You can say "and if we look into Russia, we definitely need to also look into some of the other countries". This makes it less confrontational and you are agreeing with the premise that there is an issue which should be acted upon.

I can only assume you agree with the base point because Russia doing shady things in regards to the Olympic Games is pretty well documented, and penalizing them is a logical conclusion.

I mean it's not about personal hate. If the Olympic Games are about peaceful competition, you could exclude countries that don't adhere to that based on certain rules.

And yes, it is whataboutism. He was questioning Russia being part of it, he wasn't approving any of the other countries you listed. You can denounce Russia AND other countries. It's possible.

If it's only 5 that's true. That said those 5 can file.

Also I'm curious if there is another claim potentially in class action for all other clients whom thid wasn't disclosed to...

Isn't this also going into cyberattack / responsible disclosure territory? They might be opening themselves up to a class action with this.

Dude what

Is that a lot of money? Cause I can't tell