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[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

if the DNC was the powerful Bernie wouldn't have won any states.

Exactly. If you go back to my original comment, all I said is that AOC needs to run if she wants to run. There's no one picking the people who are on the ballot. If that were the case, the DNC would have blocked Bernie and Williamson. But they didn't.

People run for office, at all levels. No one is deciding to "run candidates" like we're choosing race horses to field for the day.

they don't dictate the result and saying they do is just a recipe for progressives to give up and check out rather than stay in the fight.

Something keeps telling me that this is the goal of all the DNC Boogeyman talk.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es -1 points 13 hours ago

Or it speaks to the "norms" that Democrats slavishly adhere to.

AOC is relatively a junior member of Congress. I disagree with the "norms" nonsense in this day and age but the point is that not every action has a deeper meaning and those who keep parroting this belief have clearly never worked with a large number of people before.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es -4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)
  1. When was the extra bonus primary supposed to happen? People demanded that Biden step down while the rest of us said, "what's your plan for when the front runner steps down?" Everyone ignored us yet immediately pivoted to this anointment narrative which is bullshit. The best we had was the delegates we elected in the original primaries making the best decision they could. As a bonus, the only other people running were shit-shows in their own right. Williamson or Phillips? That's who you preferred?

  2. It's not collusion for the DNC to work with Democrats by definition. The DNC felt like Clinton was the best representative for the coalition. Bernie is an independent and as such literally not part of the party. Why would the party do anything other than support the front runner from the party.

All of these organizations are a loose, messy, group of humans and their actions can easily be explained as such. Stop believing Russian propaganda about back room deals and cabals.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

What do you expect from a "centrist think tank?" This is just Politico helping Third Way trying to pull everyone further to the right.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I'd like a list of the attendees because the results read like a bunch of bluedogs getting together to fuck everyone over harder.

Oh, yep!

The gathering — organized by Third Way, the centrist Democratic think tank, and operated by Chatham House Rules — resulted in five pages of takeaways, a document Playbook obtained from one of the participants. (Not all attendees endorsed each point.)

As a voter, "Third Way" doesn't represent me in any way and Joe Manchin can take his think tank and shove it.

Meanwhile, Politico over here is misrepresenting them as being something they're not.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es 1 points 17 hours ago

Which makes it less of a cabal and more of a group of people who have different opinions than some of us.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es -4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

There was a primary. Bernie didn't win the primary. The numbers were not there in any supportable way. Bernie had a nice lead in the beginning with early states like, I dunno, Vermont, but he didn't pull in the votes.

Stop spreading disinformation.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es -4 points 18 hours ago (30 children)

We don't "run" candidates. If you want someone else to run you need to speak with them.

Sorry if this seems pedantic but I'm getting tired of the language that suggests there's some sort of cabal deciding who does or does not run.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es 230 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

A great idea. Then, when you have to spend four donalds for a carton of eggs you'll remember why voting for con-men is a bad idea.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es 1 points 21 hours ago

An interesting proposal. Maybe those vets that have lost their jobs and VA benefits can re-enlist to go stand guard at a dusty border that no one wants to cross anymore.

[–] dan@lemmy.i.secretponi.es 1 points 21 hours ago

Mastodon gets the same accusation as well and there's no up voting or algorithm at play. What does seem true is that each environment is representative of those who participate. Reddit is 20+% trolls and bad faith for any major sub and conversations reflect that.

In general, my primary complaint to the echo chamber argument is that if everywhere you go, all you can find are echo chambers, then maybe they're not echo chambers and actually reflecting the population?

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