SuperNovaCouchGuy2

bail set at $100,000

inb4 he sells all his assets and flees to pissrael

so its more justied to let a hate group who chose to believe in a genocidal ideology murder oneself or one's "fellow human beings" for hateful, bigoted reasons rather than to pursue violent self defense?

You're cornered, nowhere to run, nobody will answer your call. The person approaching you can't be reasoned with nor frightened away. Its kill or be killed, what do you do?

Murder is defined as an unlawful premeditated killing. Are you saying that the oppressed shouldn't defend themselves with violence from an oppressive force which wants to murder them in a kill-or-be-killed scenario because it would be "unlawful" to do so?

So if someone was approaching you with a knife with the intent to kill you and you had a gun, you'd just let them kill you?

Akshually what you are referring to is not the boxer rebellion but the TAIPING REBELLION, in which St. Hong Xiuquan (PBUH) came close to destroying the forces of darkness in Qing China, which your godless ass would've known if you had studied fervently the ramblings of his holiness st. Bhagwan Shree matt christman (SAW).

Yeah I was referring more to the scale and length of the genocidal regimes plus the general depravity of the us military, sorry didn't mean to minimize how evil the Tsar was, the Bolsheviks did a lot of good by destroying the tsarist empire.

I mention this because if we focus on nationalism instead of class consciousness and class solidarity we begin to not be able to see the forest for the trees.

How is it "nationalist" to express righteous anger against a genocidal white supremacist military that attacked your family?

No they are Persian, and from a country that has also been to war on a devastating scale with Iraq in modern times. I'm not saying this to diffuse the US's responsibility and participation in the Gulf war, or even the Iraq and Iranian war.

Completely irrelevant information to the fact that the user's family were victims of a genocide committed by the us military.

What is?

Answer: "Most of them are young white kids from over privileged western nations who have never had to make a hard decision in their lives"

I mean this is such a good description of NATO member armed forces and ashekenazim in the IOF.

No I see multiple people making things personal and lashing out at each other.

Muh both sides lmfao

Did he overreact and take things personally, yes. However, so did our Persian brother

Next level stalking to find out the user was Iranian. TIL that its "overreacting" and "taking things personally" when you express your displeasure at a white supremacist military that attacked your family in a genocide and then remind someone of their victims when they swear at you for it. Peak clown world.

has since changed his ways

There is no reason to be mad at him as an individual

Can't stop cussing people out for expressing hated towards the us military, can't apologize for this appalling behaviour when the person's family was victimized by the us military, "changed his ways" lmao there is every reason to be mad at him, istg we were too nice.

How is lambasting someone who wants to be a comrade being "against white supremacy and genocide". ?

1. They can't do the bare minimum to "be a comrade" anonymously on the internet, they need to be taught that.
2. Because they were defending a white supremacist genocidal force.

Just stop the cope.

The christcuck you are defending is so class conscious and anti-imperialist that he couldn't even bring himself to apologize for genocide minimization anonymously on hexbear.net when someone whose family were attacked by his genocidal buddies expressed their rightful anger. Americans should start proving third worldists wrong whenever they say stuff like "I don't believe that any Americans living in the imperial core will ever cast away their labor aristocracy to become leftists. Fuck them forever." instead of having a whinge about why its akshually not ok/correct/"class conscious" to say things like that etc.

Also trainers are leaders?

No not of the entire organization.

Well, most of the time revolutions happen locally and the people who beat the US military are located across the globe

I won't elaborate more on this, just know that there are ways to get around a distance barrier without attracting the attention of 3 letter agencies.

You can't just pick up a rifle with your buds and stand against a trained fire team.

As if the masses are helpless fucks who can't learn how to fight a guerilla war without having some "former nazi" in charge of the entire operation.

Also ""being given a leadership position in a small leftist organization during a time when armed combat is not required". Is your conditional, not mine.

Earliest comment: "Pretty much every effective militant revolution in history were founded or led by a group of former military members"

I assumed that the "most fervent and militant leftist organizers" referred to in the first comment had major leadership positions within their organizations when I made the comment: "Also if leftist organizations are being headed by former fascist soldiers then this is more of an indictment to those organizations than anything else tbh."

This could have been a wrong assumption, the copes continued regardless as if it was not.

My point isn't that "there will definitely be no ex fascist foot soldiers within a revolutionary movement", its that its fucking ridiculous to have them in positions of leadership over small nonviolent leftist organizations when the struggle hasn't turned violent. Bringing up Zhukov and Chavez is irrelevant because the stage of struggle during their time was already violent. Even when the struggle has turned violent these fucks need to prove their worth before being let anywhere near leadership over the organization.

Its just bizarre to start brown nosing "former fascist" soldiers in response to someone expressing rightful disdain towards the us military for being a ruthless genocidal white supremacist force that has destroyed many lives and continues to do so. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hating them and responding to the hate with "but muh not all troops" is beyond unnecessary and serves to distract from the fact that they have helped commit genocide and should be regarded as such, ideally held accountable just like the wehrmacht/waffen SS/IOF.

And how would an American soldier have the opportunity to do the same if they were not afforded the same opportunity?

"Opportunity" is not the same thing as "being given a leadership position in a small leftist organization during a time when armed combat is not required". Zhukov and Chavez had to earn a lot of trust with their lives on the line in combat to get to where they were, especially Zhukov.

I mean not to demean the extent of American war crimes..... However

A few decades before that the americans had already ethnically cleansed north america. The russian empire was rightfully destroyed by the Bolsheviks while america still persists. Point being that american soldiers as part of a settler colonial ethnosupremacist anti communist military force are heavily indoctrinated to have deeply held reactionary beliefs. You dont have people like that anywhere near leadership of a communist org. Especially small ones that aren't focused on combat at the moment. Why do you have to have former fascist shock troopers leading a workers organization that is meant to fight for the very working class who the leader has oppressed and marginalized? Why should workers have to rely on their oppressors as the rightful figureheads of their liberation?

I'm saying there are plenty of people who are disenfranchised by the military who go on to train and lead revolutionary forces

How about learning from the people who the us military lost against and/or who have experience fighting them. Veterans can act as trainers but they shouldn't be let near leadership positions for the same reason you don't want "former neo nazis" in positions of leadership either.

You can still disdain the military without disdaining former soldiers who learn class consciousness and now also disdain the military.

Yeah but it's fine not to especially for those who are oppressed by the us military. And for good reason. Look at how the former navyman itt reacted earlier to someone expressing rightful disdain towards the genocidal us military. Not saying he can't change for the better, he should, it's just that he's one of the most politically advanced amongst them.

If there is a revolution in the imperial core, you can guarantee that former US military will be involved.

Yes as the counterrevolutionary fascist paramilitary sent to kill the revolutionaries.

I'd rather there be a successful revolution

Surely a successful revolution would be possible without having "former nazis" in charge.

Take a break and come back later.