Naia

I swear people do not understand how the internet works.

Anything you use on a remote server is going to be seen to some degree. They may or may not keep track of you, but you can't be surprised if they are. If you run the model locally, there is no indication it is sending anything anywhere. It runs using the same open source LLM tools that run all the other models you can run locally.

This is very much like someone doing surprised pikachu when they find out that facebook saves all the photos they upload to facebook or that gmail can read your email.

I'm sorry, I'm too busy dealing with my rights being trampled and taken away by these monsters along with other life stressors to care about your moral grandstanding.

Yes. Fuck them. Fuck anyone who supports them for "economic anxiety" or whatever BS rationalization they use to blind themselves, and fuck anyone who is still giving fascists the benifit of the doubt.

There is no middle ground, no high road, when these people literally want to kill me and my friends. I am exhausted by the last week along and have long been sick of people treating fascists with kid gloves.

The idea that people think I'm as bad as they are for standing up for myself while they inflict violence on me. Every step of calling fascists fascists and it's called "hyperbole" or "hysterical". Because acknowledgement of what they say they will do, have been doing, and are doing means their lives might be disrupted, that they would need to do something.

They do. We all do. But most people aren't. So, I'm focused on protecting me and mine. If you wanted a world where all we do is finger wag at fascist then something should have been done to stop what is happening right now...

But now, I have no sympathy anymore and grow tired of liberals, and honestly not a small number of the left, saying we should be above that. That ship sailed a long time ago.

If you are privileged enough to still feel like you are above that, then fucking do something so those of us who are the current targets don't have to defend ourselves alone.

For neural nets the method matters more. Data would be useful, but at the amount these things get trained on the specific data matters little.

They can be trained on anything, and a diverse enough data set would end up making it function more or less the same as a different but equally diverse set. Assuming publicly available data is in the set, there would also be overlap.

The training data is also by necessity going to be orders of magnitude larger than the model itself. Sharing becomes impractical at a certain point before you even factor in other issues.

They might try, but if their goal was to destabilizing western dominance for LLMs making it completely open source was the best way.

This isn't like TikTok. They have a server that hosts it, but anyone can take their model and run it and there are going to be a lot of us companies besides the big Ai ones looking at it. Even the big Ai ones will likely try to adapt the stuff they've spent to long brute forcing to get improvement.

The thing is, it's less about the actual model and more about the method. It does not take anywhere close to as many resources to train models like deepseek compared to what companies in the US have been doing. It means that there is no longer going to be just a small group hording the tech and charging absurd amounts for it.

Running the model can be no more taxing than playing a modern video game, except the load is not constant.

The cat is out of the bag. They could theoretically ban the direct models released from the research team, but retrained variants are going to be hard to differentiate from scratch models. And the original model is all over the place and have had people hacking away at it.

Blocking access to their hosted service right now would just be petty, but I do expect that from the current administration...

I only wish in them what they wish on me. Anyone who has an issue with that is enabling fascism.

Deepseek is open source. People have looked it over and modified it a ton. If you are hosting it yourself there is no indication of it being Spyware or whatever.

If you blindly use someone else's server you are willingly giving up your days to them. Facebook has sold user data to forging companies, yet people like you have a hate boner for china.

I have no love lost for either government, especially at the moment when my rights are being threatened and trampled by my own. Between the two, China has no power to effect my life directly.

Regardless, there probably was some state help behind the development of deepseek, but that isn't relevant to the discussions of the tech and how western companies have been so stuck in their ways chasing short sighted profits at best or gifting at worst.

Either way, us companies have been missusing LLMs because they want to replace workers with them. That motivation isn't going to inspire a ton of innovation.

If you are blindly asking it questions without a grounding resources you're gonning to get nonsense eventually unless it's really simple questions.

They aren't infinite knowledge repositories. The training method is lossy when it comes to memory, just like our own memory.

Give it documentation or some other context and ask it questions it can summerize pretty well and even link things across documents or other sources.

The problem is that people are misusing the technology, not that the tech has no use or merit, even if it's just from an academic perspective.

There's something to be said that bitcoin and other crypto like it have no intrinsic value but can represent value we give and be used as a decentralized form of currency not controlled by one entity. It's not how it's used, but there's an argument for it.

NFTs were a shitty cash grab because showing you have the token that you "own" a thing, regardless of what it is, only matters if there is some kind of enforcement. It had nothing to do with rights for property and anyone could copy your crappy generated image as many times as they wanted. You can't do that with bitcoin.

Ah, good old "both sides" argument. Half the reason we are in this mess.

I've no love lost for cops, but I also have no sympathy left in me while I wonder if I'm going to be able to keep my job, access healthcare, and generally exist as myself in society without someone decided to attack me. Fuck him, fuck the cop. There are no innocents in this story.

So I'm going to take some catharsis in that one of the people who would likely have murdered me or anyone like me in the future is gone.

After a week of bad news after bad news where I am both fearful for my job and very right to exist in the country, quite frankly, I couldn't care less about your moral grandstanding. This guy tried to overthrow democracy for a man who is currently doing a speed-run of fascism.

He should still be rotting in prison, instead a criminal was released into the streets by the party of "law and order" for political reasons. And while I have no love lost for cops, this guy getting shot is anything but a tragedy.

Fuck him, fuck Trump, fuck republicans, and fuck anyone who has sympathy for these monsters. These people want me dead for trying to be comfortable in my own skin. I will wish the worst on every last one of them because I know what they want to do to me and I'm tired of people using kid gloves when talking about these people.

I'm tired of this uninformed take.

LLMs are not a magical box you can ask anything of and get answers. If you are lucky and blindly asking questions it can give some accurate general data, but just like how human brains work you aren't going to be able to accurately recreate random trivia verbatim from a neural net.

What LLMs are useful for, and how they should be used, is a non-deterministic parsing context tool. When people talk about feeding it more data they think of how these things are trained. But you also need to give it grounding context outside of what the prompt is. give it a PDF manual, website link, documentation, whatever and it will use that as context for what you ask it. You can even set it to link to reference.

You still have to know enough to be able to validate the information it is giving you, but that's the case with any tool. You need to know how to use it.

As for the spyware part, that only matters if you are using the hosted instances they provide. Even for OpenAI stuff you can run the models locally with opensource software and maintain control over all the data you feed it. As far as I have found, none of the models you run with Ollama or other local AI software have been caught pushing data to a remote server, at least using open source software.

Which is actually something Deepseek is able to do.

Even if it can still generate garbage when used incorrectly like all of them, it's still impressive that it will tell you it doesn't "know" something, but can try to help if you give it more context. which is how this stuff should be used anyway.