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An ex-MAGA activist warns "no civic savior is coming" as Donald Trump's cognitive decline becomes undeniable

What if Donald Trump defeats President Biden and takes control of the White House in 2025? He has already announced his plans to become the country’s first dictator, and to launch a reign of terror and revenge against his so-called enemies. As detailed in documents such as Project 2025, Agenda 47, and elsewhere, the infrastructure is being created right now to put Trump's neofascist plans to end multiracial pluralistic democracy in effect on “day one." The so-called resistance will not have the courtesy of ramping up or mobilizing to stop Dictator Trump’s onslaught. It will be a “shock and awe” campaign visited upon the American people.

Dictator Trump’s reign of terror will be made even worse by the fact that as shown during recent speeches, interviews, and at other events he appears to be encountering severe difficulties in cognition, language, and memory.

In a series of recent conversations with me here at Salon, Dr. John Gartner, a prominent psychologist and contributor to the bestselling book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President," has issued this warning: “Not enough people are sounding the alarm, that based on his behavior, and in my opinion, Donald Trump is dangerously demented. In fact, we are seeing the opposite among too many in the news media, the political leaders and among the public. There is also this focus on Biden's gaffes or other things that are well within the normal limits of aging. By comparison, Trump appears to be showing gross signs of dementia. This is a tale of two brains. Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing.”

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[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 114 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Again for the chuds and shills in the back:

“Not enough people are sounding the alarm, that based on his behavior, and in my opinion, Donald Trump is dangerously demented. In fact, we are seeing the opposite among too many in the news media, the political leaders and among the public. There is also this focus on Biden's gaffes or other things that are well within the normal limits of aging. By comparison, Trump appears to be showing gross signs of dementia. This is a tale of two brains. Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing.

And let's be honest, Trump has shown signs of dementia since the beginning of his first term. It was obvious when hearing his communication when he was younger.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 43 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Trump is now worse than Reagan 2nd term: not only is he demented, he and his people simply can't hide it at all.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 19 points 8 months ago

Person, woman, man, camera, TV.

He passed the test! He can remember words he remembered!

Not that any test was given in that moment, but facts don't matter when you have Alternative Facts!™

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 104 points 8 months ago (7 children)

What's terrifying about MAGA isn't Trump, it's who comes next.

A second term for Trump will be terrible, but it'll end fairly quickly as I don't think he's going to live another 10 years.

However, if you take a look at the "Next generation" they are all copying trumpism but just making it a bit more crazy. Vivek is the poster child for this behavior. They are finding more and more than just abandoning pretext and saying the quiet part outloud doesn't lose elections.

The only way to stop this is having the GOP lose over and over and over again. After Biden's presidency the GOP cannot see power for at least another decade otherwise it will just snowball into more extreme craziness (it may do that anyways as the insane base will keep moderates out of office).

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 46 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Trump has also stated he wants to be a dictator on day 1. This plus all of the other anti-democratic stances of the Republicans has me convinced that if Republicans win in 2024, there isn't going to be another real election in the US. It'll either be so corrupt, abbreviated or "managed" that it's effectively Russia, or there will be an "emergency" that delays a national election indefinitely.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And then when we stop following the laws and the election is cancelled, we'll see if the second amendment actually matters.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 9 points 8 months ago

2nd amendment won't matter unless a very specific thing happens: the entire government and executive branches, namely the military, collapses. It really depends on what the military does and enforces domestically. Whatever government the greater military props up wins and nothing individual citizens do can compete with that.

If everything collapses, famine will be the prime mover. And if you're not part of a roving band of armed looters or an entrenched armed community, you're screwed.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Cults of personality tend to die when the leader at the center goes away (by jail or death or something else). There are exceptions, but it's what tends to happen.

You can see this in the lackluster performance of down ballot candidates who get Trump endorsements. The cult wants Trump, the singular man. They don't turn out to put his lackeys into power. Some of them still win because they're in safe red districts, but they don't win as hard as they should.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's a lesson Caesar's Legion in Fallout New Vegas taught us. A cult built around a charismatic leader often collapses into infighting when the leader dies. They follow the man, not his ideals. It may not happen right away, but it will given enough time. The followers will start to disagree on small things, some will be scooped up by some other charismatic grifter. In the end the movement fractures.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not disagreeing with you necessarily, but I just love how you used a fictional example to learn from, which could be total bullshit since fiction is just that, made up.

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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

What? Which ones?

I'm actually drawing blanks. Perhaps it's survivorship bias but to me it seems like most cults of personality stick around if there's no force actively shutting them down, generally with violence.

Nazi germany, for example, didn't end because hitler died. It ended because the allies and the soviet union occupied germany for decades squelching any Nazi sentiment. Ditto for Japan with the Hirohito (who himself was in a long line of royals that still continues just with muted power). You can look at mormonism where the founder was killed by a mob, that's still very much alive. Or Scientology where the leader had a heart attack. Heck, even the moonies are still around.

Without a heavy societal push, cults of personality very often linger.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (16 children)

Oneida Cult. It dispersed almost immediately when the founder was arrested, and all that remains is the silverware manufacturer. Quite a few other examples in upstate New York in the 19th century, which was a very popular place to start weird new religious movements. There were tons of them, but you only hear about a handful that survived--Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, and Jehovah's Witnesses are about it.

Nazis did fight right up to the point where Hitler died. He was the one pushing them to fight until every man, woman, and child in Germany was dead. Hitler died on April 30, and the official surrender happened on May 2. Nobody was actually interested in continuing to let Germany burn.

So yes, it's a matter of survivorship bias. You know the counter examples because they stayed around, but they're exceptions.

Without a heavy societal push, cults of personality very often linger.

They may linger, but they never have the power they used to. If they do, they have to rebuild from scratch, which is more or less what Trump does with white supremacists.

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[–] Jaderick@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

the only way to stop this is having the GOP lose over and over and over again.

This is asking a lot imo. You’re asking everyone to be vigilant and I think the last 10 years have proven that a significant proportion of the voter population cannot be relied on to be vigilant, because they’re content in being myopic.

That seems to be the weak point of a republic. I just watched a video essay on YouTube about the politics of Star Wars and how the Republic fell to the Empire and I think the guy made a lot of good points and it included a call to action in our elections. I think Star Wars is known to have taken from the fall of the Roman Republic and there’s more recent examples of the death of a democracy in the Weimar Republic in Germany.

With the two real life examples, all it took was a prolonged period of decay (from inside and outside factors) to lead to the Roman Autocratic Empire and Nazi Germany. I’d argue the US was on this relative path before with the America First party that rose to oppose FDR in the 1930’s. All it may take is another bad world event to push people into being content with a populist autocrat like Trump.

I’m still hopeful, but we should all take the lessons of the past into account when deciding how to move forward.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Not to mention that the resistance is immensely fractured. I'm still not sure that we've seen an event heinous enough to galvanize the opposition past ideological boundaries. For many, stopping Trump is not yet enough to delay their potential political gains. Populism rides on the strongest human emotions, the easiest and vaguest enemies, and the simplest (wrong) answers. It's going to take a united effort, the sort that was brought about by the geopolitical situation in the FDR era, or I worry that we fail.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 63 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Republican party doesnt need a mercy kill.

It needs a legitimate, in depth, non-partisian federal criminal investigation and convictions against every one in the party that has betrayed their office and sold America out to foreign powers... Or have fucked kids.

Which, unfortunately for them, seems to be a significant chunk of them.

Start with all the ones that I've been balls deep on Putin.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No.

No mercy.

Make it an example.

Let them be electorally crucified. Make voting GOP as reviled as voting for the KKK.

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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

mercy-kill

I don't see why they deserve any mercy.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Because not all sheep deserve to be slaughtered. There's a lot of people who vote out of fear because they don't know any better. It's the Republican party that needs to be done away with.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think it's important to clarify here that "the Republican Party" (see also: "the GOP") refers to the party leaders and political figures. It doesn't (usually) refer to the voters, although you might hear "Republican consituency" or "Republican voters", or even "Republicans". But "the Republican Party" is generally agreed to mean the leaders, or the organization that presents them as leaders. I think you agree with that point because you seem to be making the same clarification in your last sentence. My comment, and the article headline, are referring to this group.

I think I agree with you that the sheep don't need to be slaughtered, although they are going to need some very tough medicine.

The people who led them to this point? No mercy.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 8 months ago

exactly.

Whether we like to believe it or not, no one is the villan of their own story. I won't deny that the Republican party courts the worst of the worst types of scumbags around us, but their propaganda machine gets so many people in so many different ways.

They managed to get my otherwise amazing gay cousin to vote for Trump by his displeasure with the Israel/Palestine conflict (this was well before the current genocide) The media he was consuming framed everything in terms of Democrat support so he was lead to believe the Republicans have the "compassionate" resolution. He votes against his own well being because of propaganda... :(

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[–] zaphod@lemmy.ca 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Never ceases to amaze me how often I see this canard:

both parties share culpability in creating the opening for MAGA and Trump

So Dems, who are never elected to represent those poor, forgotten souls in the rust belt or former coal mining towns, and therefore are not in a position to actually do anything to help them, are somehow culpable for those folks, what, voting against their interests?

Fuck off with this both sides enlightened centrist bullshit. Folks in Virginia and Alabama voted for right wingers who fucked them over, then those people successfully channeled the resulting anger and resentment at the "establishment".

It's the political consequences of starve the beast politics.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 13 points 8 months ago

Which Republican said "The era of big Government is over!" right before dismantling or slashing the bulk of federal safety net programs? Which Republican took office on anti-corruption messaging, then immediately turned around and let criminal bankers who decimated the US economy off the hook?

The Republican party is a psychotic cesspool, but Democrats have plenty to answer for too. The rust belt in-particular was dominated by Democrats until Bill Clinton made the conscious choice to turn against the unions that had put him in office.

[–] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Trump is literarlly elected because Hilary's campaign elevated him in their piped piper strategy to make Republiacan candidate more extreme so more people vote for her. https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 32 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Americans have been electorally mercy killing the GOP for forty years, they invented moving the goalposts in response.

There may still be a less electoral way to mercy kill the GOP.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Americans have been electorally mercy killing the GOP for forty years

Feeling incredibly happy every time a cockroach dies of old age, because I'm pretty sure this means I'm beating them.

There may still be a less electoral way to mercy kill the GOP.

Unfortunately, the folks with the highest proclivity to try and run a rival's campaign bus off the road aren't in the liberal party.

[–] Conyak@lemmy.tf 11 points 8 months ago

They have been killing them with the popular vote. The GOP wins the electoral votes often actually.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

It is refreshing to see someone who has left MAGA and realises the full potential danger that Trump and the GOP pose.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

don't make me hope ;_;

i have been dreaming of this,
pleading for this.
but i never dared to consider it might actually happen
i can't afford enough copium to sustain it

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

This is another framing suggesting that the Republican party was a legitimate party until Trump, they have been the party of racists since, at least, Nixon and the implementation of the southern strategy.

Trump isn't the root of the evil of the party, the party has been evil for 60 or so years, trump is the logical conclusion.

Calling it a mercy killing erases all the evil done for so long. The party doesn't need a mercy killing, it needs to be held accountable for the evil it has done for decades.

[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is no more Republican party, it is MAGA now. People who don't fall in line behind Trump are retiring and leaving office.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

No, there is a Republican party. It's MAGA and a large number of voters who vote R regardless of name.

So many Republican voters simply don't care.

Source: I worked as an election poll worker. The number of people who asked me, "Who are the Republicans?" on ballots where there is no party would shock you.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Trumpism is not going to be defeated by voting at this point. Pelosi: "US needs a 'strong' Republican Party." Dems are fine with the good cop, bad cop dynamic.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In this case she may have been making an indirect swipe at Republicans in general, saying that the party isn’t strong.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Yeah, that's the way I read, especially given all the republican infighting.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

The country genuinely does need a competitive second party.

Everyone blames Democrats for the lack of choice in candidates, while the other guys are nominating a twice impeached, adjudicated rapist and insurrection supporter with ninety one criminal indictments and multiple pending civil suits.

I haven't had a candidate come out of the GOP worthy of consideration in my entire lifetime. At one point, they were the party of not only Lincoln but folks like Eisenhower.

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[–] cpw@lemmy.ca 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like he's well qualified to be the first king of the USA. He's got everything. A ridiculous family tree, he's loony, he's corrupt, he's bankrupt. All hail king Trump the first!

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

King Donald I. They use first names for kings

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Republicans are at best corporate shit slingers and at worst fascists and pedophiles. Why do they deserve anything resembling mercy?

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[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

It will be a “shock and awe” campaign visited upon the American people.

This subject does not seem to be receiving the warranted attention it deserves

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Fitting. American democracy began with Mad King George III and will end with Mad King Trump I.

[–] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago (14 children)

Wait a minute, if we get rid of the Republican Party, wouldn't a two party system become a one party system? So if Trump is elected, end of democracy, if Republican party is destroyed, also end of democracy? Is there no way out? End of democracy either way?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (8 children)

No more than the death of the whigs. A dead Republican Party creates a vacuum for either the democrats to split or a third party to ascend

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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not a political scientist but I watched Hamilton one time, and I think what would happen is the parties start to move around. Right now both parties are unfortunately right leaning.

Democrats, by European standards, are middle-right, while Republicans are ~~chaotic evil~~ far right. Maybe the parties start moving closer to the left?

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The two party system isn't the rule as much as it is a symptom of our winner-takes-all voting system. In the event that the Republican party loses significant support from voters, the Democratic party would surely split into two polar factions.

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[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

The Democrats because what they already are: the right wing corporatist party, and hopefully leftists actually form a coalition and a party

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