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[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 79 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Entire libraries worth of ink have been poured in an effort to understand, mythologize, and explain the behavior of white rural voters — why they are so attached to former President Donald Trump, [...]

It's racism.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Or Theocrats

Or, for a smaller demographic, purely greed

Or a person misled by people who subscribe to the previous three

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I still say it's racism all the way down. Anyways has been.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You’re not entirely wrong. But it goes deeper. There are minority Republicans. What motivates Cuban Americans? Or Black Evangelicals? They are motivated by hierarchy and authoritarianism, all under the structures of capitalism. Capitalism needs hierarchies and wealth inequality to exist. Racial Capitalism

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago

Entire libraries worth of ink have been poured in an effort to understand, mythologize, and explain the behavior of white rural voters — why they are so attached to former President Donald Trump, [...]

Emphasis added.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 5 points 8 months ago

Personally, I think it's more than a little reductive to try to eliminate all nuance to every situation, especially politics, but it certainly makes the world seem a lot simpler.

[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I think this this explains a good chunk of the behavior

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Second time I’ve seen that article pop up in the last couple days. It’s got a lot right, but def not all of it. I grew up rural and stayed that way for most of my life, and on thing I think that was left out (or I missed it) is the cultural momentum and good old fashioned peer pressure. Everyone around you behaves in a certain way, you will behave the same way or you don’t fit in. When there’s no escape from your situation it’s not good to buck the system.

It also doesn’t explain the unwillingness to accept that the choices they make at the voting booth work against them other than flailing wildly in anger and voting with their middle fingers.

There’s plenty of movie and TV tropes that still push the simple “country wisdom” way of thinking that mock city dwellers by reductionist simplicity and “git’er dun” vs the overcomplicated and often shifty city slicker trying to upend rural life. Politically and socially that way of thought is still held up as some kind of ideal, unfortunately the result is “don’t actually think about what’s happening, reject nuance” instead of “you’re overcomplicating a situation”, the latter of which rarely happens in political solutions because it deals with lots of different people or rules.

Anyway. The article is interesting, but it’s got some gaps.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The article focuses on a "culture war" when in reality the reason rural communities are so fucked are class and economic issues. There's no funding for bumfuck America, once the "elites" start funding outreach programs that aren't tied to the church you'll see a lot of the christian right go away. But nobody wants to do that because culture war benefits the landed gentry and upper class elites.

I didn't have running water until I was 5 and no water heater till I was 11. The reason was booze and pills, there are still kids out there growing up how I grew up. And they'll continue to, because the only outreach programs out there are funded and run by the church and they don't help out drug addicted single moms.

Harm reduction programs, funded by taxes and managed at the federal level so there's no local political fuckery. That's the only way forward for rural America.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I've def gotten much more in the habit of reading the fucking articles since i left reddit. Glad i did! That was an interesting one, thanks for sharing!

[–] HWK_290@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I mean, yes and no. It's not as if those who vote for Donald trump aren't people worthy of empathy... But when a helping hand is offered and refused, what then? Can't have my kids getting a few lunch when those "other" kids get one too. Sorry, my empathy died up

[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Moreover, the "latent" racism was exacerbated by feelings of geographic and political isolation, legitimate or otherwise.

[–] Tolstoshev@lemmy.world 59 points 8 months ago

The conman despises the mark, all the while fleecing them.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

What will happen to Ted Cruz after he loses in November? Will he become a consultant or lobbyist? Maybe a board member for Haliburton?

I don’t think he has the brains or talent to have his own show on Fox, but I can see him popping up to give his opinion like a canker sore that keeps coming back.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What pisses me off is somehow people like him are more worthy in our society of basic necessities, like owning a home. I'd have to perform a miracle on my employer's dead mother to even be considered for a raise, let alone live comfortably even with a degree.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You can also form a union. On top of the raise and CoLA you and your coworkers negotiate into your contract, you make people like Cruz, Trump, and Christie seethe

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Countdown until unions are made illegal in Texas…

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They can try, they'll just make unions more radical. Look up the Texas Lumber War

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If it's anything like the Battle of Blair Mountain we're overdue for a reminder.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I wanted to keep it regional, but yea this lumber war is known for the Grabow massacre that killed 3 union members and wounded 50.

The overarching coal wars (to those just now learning about this, yes there were multiple) in general are fascinating. Bloody Harlan is another good example

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Travel agent to mexico

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I don’t think he has the brains or talent to have his own show on Fox, but I can see him popping up to give his opinion like a canker sore that keeps coming back.

“Fox Gone Wild: the eternal spring break.”

[–] lettruthout@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

"That population is not demanding anything of Republicans."

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Uhhh what? I'm rural and the vast majority will still vote red all the way down, including for Trump. The voting democratic maps are widely available. And they show conclusively that cities vote blue and rural votes red, everywhere. Plenty of conservative rural folk very much dislike Trump, they aren't happy with the GOP, but they would rather not vote or vote third party than ever vote blue.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You just confirmed the post.

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I guess I was too focused on the topic of the title. It did literally just end the piece saying rural will always vote red. I misinterpreted "rural people shouldn't vote red; so one might assume that could mean they are open to blue".

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Which just confirms that those people are stupid hicks.

[–] deur@feddit.nl 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You should have read the article before proving its point lmao. Did you know you can delete your own silly little comment?

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Go read the article before commenting.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

The problem is, they love being insulted as long as it's in a folksy twang

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Execubot γ: It's funny, but is it going to get them off their tractors?

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Holy crap a political scientist has figured it out

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