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[–] marcuse1w@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

What do you hope comes after it ?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (47 children)

Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.

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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

No, this is Patrick

[–] DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Anarchist government, preferably communist in nature but mutualist works too.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When has that ever worked?

[–] DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Plenty if you study history and anthropology. How do you think humans lived for millenia before the invention of currency? You do realize thousands of years separate that from advent of trade and long after we settled down to form permanent communities?

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 2 years ago

Nonsense. There is no returning to small-scale egalitarian societies. Large-scale societies are a trap; once you embrace them, you can never go back apart from in extreme isolation. Spend even 5 minutes thinking seriously about it and you will see why it's a pipe dream.

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[–] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I guess “Capitalism” (image) is akin to my life.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"of" the ~~Bagel~~ Donut 🤤

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In Europe it's the Autumn of Capitalism

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it might also be the spring of fascism there.

[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People who downvoted you clearly aren't paying attention to what's happening in Italy and Germany to a lesser extent

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, Hungary and Turkey all have severe issues with fascism right now

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

all have severe issues with fascism right now

It's not an issue... fascism is a feature of classical liberal nation states - not a flaw.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

an issue for the populace

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bullshit. Fascism is by definition antithetical to classical liberalism.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Really? Tell that to all the "liberal" regimes that enabled fascists when said liberals couldn't keep working-class revolt in check... Weimar Germany literally did that to crush the "Spartacist" revolt after WW1.

There's a saying amongst leftists - you can't have a harvest of fascism without liberals loosening the ground for it first. Fascism is not some "aberration" of the classical liberal nation state and it never was.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Finland, Sweden, Spain, France, etc. etc.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago

I’m not familiar with Spain right now but yeah forgot those ones

[–] nevial@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

As a German, I agree

[–] SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lmao we're still as capitalist as ever. Americans have a skewed sense of what capitalism implies due to your super-duper-mega-unregulated-corporation-shareholder-moneymaker3000 type of ultra capitalism

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

super-duper-mega-unregulated-corporation-shareholder-moneymaker3000 type of ultra capitalism

Sooo... just bog-standard capitalism, then?

[–] SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Case in point

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