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[–] marcuse1w@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What do you hope comes after it ?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (47 children)

Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.

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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, this is Patrick

[–] DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anarchist government, preferably communist in nature but mutualist works too.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When has that ever worked?

[–] DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Plenty if you study history and anthropology. How do you think humans lived for millenia before the invention of currency? You do realize thousands of years separate that from advent of trade and long after we settled down to form permanent communities?

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

Nonsense. There is no returning to small-scale egalitarian societies. Large-scale societies are a trap; once you embrace them, you can never go back apart from in extreme isolation. Spend even 5 minutes thinking seriously about it and you will see why it's a pipe dream.

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[–] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess “Capitalism” (image) is akin to my life.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"of" the ~~Bagel~~ Donut 🤤

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In Europe it's the Autumn of Capitalism

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it might also be the spring of fascism there.

[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People who downvoted you clearly aren't paying attention to what's happening in Italy and Germany to a lesser extent

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, Hungary and Turkey all have severe issues with fascism right now

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

all have severe issues with fascism right now

It's not an issue... fascism is a feature of classical liberal nation states - not a flaw.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

an issue for the populace

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bullshit. Fascism is by definition antithetical to classical liberalism.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Really? Tell that to all the "liberal" regimes that enabled fascists when said liberals couldn't keep working-class revolt in check... Weimar Germany literally did that to crush the "Spartacist" revolt after WW1.

There's a saying amongst leftists - you can't have a harvest of fascism without liberals loosening the ground for it first. Fascism is not some "aberration" of the classical liberal nation state and it never was.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Finland, Sweden, Spain, France, etc. etc.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I’m not familiar with Spain right now but yeah forgot those ones

[–] nevial@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

As a German, I agree

[–] SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lmao we're still as capitalist as ever. Americans have a skewed sense of what capitalism implies due to your super-duper-mega-unregulated-corporation-shareholder-moneymaker3000 type of ultra capitalism

[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

super-duper-mega-unregulated-corporation-shareholder-moneymaker3000 type of ultra capitalism

Sooo... just bog-standard capitalism, then?

[–] SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Case in point

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