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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 127 points 1 year ago (4 children)

UX design got better and better for many years...but it has definitely been regressing over the past few years, IMO. It's weaponized minimalism at this point. Because it "looks cool, bro".

It's a variant of enshittification.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 117 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The overuse of the word enshittification drives me crazy.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Enshittification of "enshittification"

/s

[–] elxeno@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it has a very specific meaning, and people are now using it to mean "things becoming shitty". Just because "shit" is the base word doesn't mean that's what the whole word means.

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, thank you! I thought I was the only one. I feel like an old man yelling at the clouds every time I see it.

[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Feels like it's always been a buzzword for whatever someone doesn't like right now

[–] burliman@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you. I think it was overused even the moment it was used for its intended purpose. It feels really im14andthisisedgy to me.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Buy!!!?

[YES SPEND ALL MY MONEY]

[no]

[–] Skua@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know that the [no] option would be [maybe later]

[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

[keep reminding me til I accidentally click yes or just fold]

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Then you go to click [no] and the web page magically loads something else above it, which moves the page contents, forcing you to click the [yes].

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

applying any design language feels wrong. it's pure manipulation -- i remember being forced onto the official twitter app and couldn't believe there wasn't a scroll bar. i felt lost; the timeline felt infinite, swallowing

[–] I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They want you doom scrolling.

It's one reason I like kbin. I'll read to page 5 and that's my limit for a session. Endless scrolling is annoying.

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[–] LilDestructiveSheep@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lots of people who are designing websites and webapps are just out for the design. Usability went in the background for whatever reason.

But more and more people are getting more aware of user friendly UI and functions for people with disabilities. But yet it's not the highest priority sadly.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

for whatever reason

Flashy sleek shit gets invested in.

Outside of business specifically oriented towards people with accessibility issues, the energy just doesn't translate into VC.

Companies who do try to shoehorn it in when products are more mature usually have:

  1. A codebase with a frustrating amount of refactoring in order to retroactively get things in line.

  2. Development inertia where it's seen as a low value activity among developers and product owners

  3. Lack of clear guidance/tools/processes to QA new work

  4. Lack of will to retroactively identify the breadth and scope of changes you even want to make

There is no mystery. It's not going to get you sexy VC money at the beginning, and then it's bizarrely more work than you'd think once your project is sufficiently large.

[–] Alatain@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That doesn't explain why already established products are ditching things like plainly visible scroll bars in products like Microsoft word and other content viewers.

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[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And just straight up broken by idiocy like infinite scroll.

[–] zeddiq@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would imagine the same designer who implements infinite scroll would also design bad scrollbars

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I recently had to talk a designer out of implementing a “webpage progress indicator” that was a thin horizontal bar across the top of the page that filled in as you progressed through the content.

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[–] zerofk@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Most fun are the infinite scroll pages with a footer.

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[–] deleted@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am sick of modern minimalist UI where functionality is not a priority.

I always prefer win32 applications for this reason.

[–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Heck, I even prefer the ultra-skeuomorphic textured-everything approach of Mountain Lion-era OS X over the current ultra-minimalist approach where everything is either a hairline or a big flat monocolored shape.

It actually makes it harder to parse the UI when a button, a text field, a label, and a random part of the window can look exactly the same. I'd rather take a file manager that tries to look like a 1980s hifi stereo.

Or you know, a reasonable middle ground.

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[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Fucking ribbon menus can eat my salty ass. Why does everything take up so much God damn real estate on my screen? I've got work to do!

Take Slack, as an example. Anyone gotten the UI update? Christ on a cock, it's BAD. Hope you use slack full-screen because you're gonna need that to see the actual chat/conversations area. They added another sidebar now. That's 3 sidebars stacked up, and only 1 of them is even useful ( channels ) . Who is out there using so many workspaces, that they need a sidebar? Why does a sidebar need a sidebar sidebar?

Why do all my office and CAD programs take up the entire top 5th of my screen with menus?

Oh, you wanted to actually read that email? Damn sorry we only gave you less than half the screen to do that on, in outlook. But the sidebars are super important you see!

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[–] weeahnn@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

I love it when scrollbars are like, half an atom wide. Makes it easy to use the website.

[–] CeeBee@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (8 children)

People with dexterity and hand control challenges have a difficult time with these skinny scroll bars.

I have neither dexterity nor hand control challenges and I still find it incredibly hard to grab those skinny scroll bars.

One additional design "feature" I really despise is auto hiding scroll bars. So then to visually see when I am I have to scroll up and down to bring it back.

And web designers that do that stupid scroll hijacking where scrolling "stops" and then things move around for a bit should be launched into the sun. It's the most anti-UX design I've ever seen. It's literally the same as temporarily causing your mouse cursor to move in the opposite direction of input and then calling it a "design feature".

Imagine if each application on your computer arbitrarily changed up the direction your mouse cursor moves. It's literally the same thing. Computer input should be 100% predictable and reliable. The instant you do that it makes the computer/program/website feel sluggish and inoperative.

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

That scroll hijacking legit feels like getting stunned in call of duty or something, suddenly your mouse just doesn't want to do what you tell it to.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What the fuck is it with apps just making the scrollbar completely hidden until you scroll with the mouse or keyboard? Microsoft seems like the biggest offender with this. It’s so irritating, they’ve got more than enough space to just keep it around all the time, it’s what I’m expecting to find there, hiding it just makes more annoyed each time. It’s not as bad if you’re using a mouse with a scroll wheel, but on a laptop with a trackpad it’s beyond annoying.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I assume it's part of a trend of having as much useless white space as possible, so that they can stuff more ads into it.

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[–] not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I would like my scroll bars back please. Scroll wheel on a mouse is not enough. Neither is a fling gesture on touchpad or screen.

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[–] helmet91@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a broken scroll wheel (which happens every 5-10 years, whenever the lifecycle of my mouse reaches its end), and I feel the pain every freakin time I wanna scroll.

Nowadays with such high-resolution screens I just can't understand why it's needed to make those scrollbars so narrow.

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[–] Molecular0079@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Yeah seriously. Like I am okay with them auto hiding when the mouse is away, but nowadays, even when you're mousing over them, they're only like 3-4px wide. What kind of a mouse target is that?! Ridiculous.

[–] varogen@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

For a while I was playing video games with a mouse that had a broken scroll wheel. Some games just don't even implement a scroll bar at all... So you have to hold down the arrow keys to go through each item. So infuriating.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

It could be that websites are being made unbearable, to pressure users into switching to the site's mobile apps, which are generally spyware. I can't stand looking at homedepot.com on a phone, for example. Even if I don't look at the screen, I can feel the phone warming up in my hand as the crapware javascript on the site drains the phone battery.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, to tl;dr the article: size does matter

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's not the length of the scrollbar, it's how you use it (and also girth)

[–] Eudaimonia@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel you, so I have researched this:

For Firefox you can change the width /style of the scrollbar:

(A) In a new tab, type or paste

about:config

in the address bar and press Enter/Return. Click the button accepting the risk.

(B) In the search box in the page, type or paste

widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style

(C) Press the Return or Enter key to find the setting. Click the Edit (pencil) button on the right side of the widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style setting.

(D) Delete the current 0 value for the default OS style scrollbar. Then input the value 1 (Mac OS X), 2 (GTX), 3 (Android), 4 (Windows 10), or 5 (Windows 11) in the widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style box for the scrollbar style you want to change to. For example, enter 4 to change the scrollbar to the default Windows 10 design.

(E) Click the Save button on the right side of the widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style setting to apply.

Also for the hiding:

Windows: Settings > Ease of Access > Display > Automatically hide scroll bars in Windows

Mac: System Preferences > General > Show scroll bars

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Don't get me started on single line text fields. Either I have the world's slowest onset of Parkinson's disease or they are making the clickable area of the text Fields smaller than the height of the actual text these days

Edit: Someone agree with me don't just upvote lol

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[–] atetulo@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I call it the "War on Scrollbars" and I think it started when some meme about watching a teacher use a computer got popular. https://old.reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/comments/df8cd/watching_someone_use_a_computer/

I absolutely hate how tiny scrollbars have gotten. I hate how clicking in a certain spot cause the scrollbar to move slightly instead of jumping directly to where I click.

These are modern design decisions that I think shitty designers implemented because they need to feel useful. Then, autistic users who want nothing on their screen praise them for it.

It's disgusting and I hope, one day, we can look back on how the 2010s were the worst decade for software design so far.

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[–] Fisch@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I like the way GTK is doing it. You have a thin scrollbar that is overlayed over the content and has no background (so just the knob) but when you get near it with the mouse, the background appears and it becomes double as thick. That way you're not wasting any space but you don't have this issue of it being hard to use either.

[–] erzatz_cadillac@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

What I also like about GTK's scrollbars is that the scrollbar only auto hides when the scroll area completely looses focus. As long as the mouse cursor is hovering anywhere in the scrolling region the scrollbar is visible, so you don't have to scroll first to see where the scroll position is.

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[–] Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

X buttons are another problem, light grey and fucken 10% opacity on a white background and the target is right in the middle of the intersect.

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[–] Johanno@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

Even using pc all day I can't click a scroll bar on the first time!

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

But if we show a full-sized scrollbar all the time, we lose all that space that we could have left completely empty otherwise!

Yeah, losing function over form is annoying.

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