I am really curious who those hard defenders of Glyphosate are - are you guys Farmers?
this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2023
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No, I'm a chemist. Does that count?
Wouldn't you need to be a biologist of some sort to have any ability to weigh in on the effects on human health?
Noooo, it is totally safe - Monsanto/Bayer said so in the studies they paid for! It’s so safe that the EU wants to allow it for at least another ten years.
if you don't like a post, that's what the downvote is for. this ain't some paid moderator board. volunteering?
Can we stop spreading this bullshit anti-glyphosate propaganda? educate yourselves
You wanna know what else has been linked to cancer, and with actual good evidence for it? Hot water. source
Go touch grass and worry about the things you should really worry about, like the fact your food system is set up for collapse with 2 decades and you'd better hope big Ag comes up with something brilliant cuz otherwise you're in the shit unless you're at least partially self-sufficient.
While i think that link is more correct, it is hard to take it serious when they call it a pesticide.
It is a pesticide?
No, it is a herbicide. Those are very different things and no farmer would ever mess this up.
Herbicide is a subset of pesticides where the pests are herbs. You're thinking of insecticide where the pest is an insect. Pesticide is the broad term that encompasses both insecticides and herbicides.
A. I'm not a farmer, I'm a scientist. B. All herbicides are pesticides... look it up. It's like how all horses are mammals but not all mammals are horses
other things in the probably carcinogenic category: coffee & working the night shift.
the difference is, those things are on the list with good reason.
I mean, Round-up is absolutely dangerous and unhealthy. It's a fucking terrible idea to get a cubic meter tank and mix glyphosate by submerging your arms up to the shoulder to stir the product till it's diluted. You really shouldn't start your day with a tall glass of it, nor should you rub it in your eyes.
It's very hard to say if it actually causes cancer, since the type it reportedly causes it causes by about a million things, among them, almost every pesticide and herbicide from the generations before round-up (and potentially after, but we don't know yet). Since it commonly manifests in older people, it's very hard to tell if a random farmer got it from round-up, another pesticide, or just bad luck.
What we DO know is that plants grown with round-up have no effect on consumers, and when used properly, has less severe effects than alternatives.
But if you're in the habit of mixing roundup with your bare hands, and spraying it in shorts and flip flops, you should probably stop doing that.
Did you focus group that hot water line?
Wait, is this your focus group? If so, it sucks.
Do you wanna present an actual argument or just whine because reality doesn't suit you?
No I want to ridicule you for saying ridiculous shit. You are ridiculous.
Edit: keep the downvotes rolling clown 🤡🤡🤡
Ok so no real argument, just whining. Lucky you, having been told to believe all the right stuff while others were told wrong.
Can we stop spreading this bullshit anti-tobacco propaganda? educate yourselves
You wanna know what else has been linked to cancer, and with actual good evidence for it? Hot water🙄
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Why don’t you drink a nice Pint of Roundup on this guy?
Bring me pure glyphosate and I will mix it and drink it. But round-up has a whole lot of surfactants will which will fuck up your esophagus, lungs and stomach. So will dishwashing liquid though, and I bet you use that all the time on things you eat from.
Right after you drink a pint of long-trusted household products, like lye or ammonia
F’real. I’d like to know what alternate timeline has more deaths: the one where, going forward, we continue our modern farming practices as-is; the other, we ban them and revert to only organic farming.
I’d bet cancer deaths per calorie of food produced would be roughly the same…organic farming being both less efficient and not a guarantee in itself that pesticides/herbicides are safer for humans. And l, being less efficient, I’d wager we’d hit famine simply by not having enough good farming land to meet dietary needs.
And who is getting cancer? Mostly farmers that are too lazy/proud to don PPE, and migrant workers who aren’t provided it. In either case it takes a lot of intentional, repeated, unprotected direct exposure. Joe Public isn’t gonna get cancer spraying his poison ivy or even his tomato’s.