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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Someone edit that into a joint please

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 8 points 1 week ago

If I were on my computer I'd do that immediately. Perhaps I'll remember later

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[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 1 week ago (7 children)

an famous artist I knew gave me some advice

just draw what your mind's eye sees. You can make it happen exactly as you see it in your mind if you focus on that mental image and stay true to putting it on the medium. If it doesn't happen at first, it just means you need to practice. It will happen if you stay true to yourself and what you see in your head.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This has real "draw the rest of the owl" vibes.

The "mind's eye" (if ygu've got such a thing) doesn't really work that way. You usually don't have a fully formed image in your mind.

Your brain will leave out stuff without noticing that something is missing. Also: you can't really get proper proportions from your "mind's eye". Also: what you're imagining usually also shifts a bunch.

IMO, much better advice from an art teacher who once told me that this is their response to when people say that they can't even draw a straight line: "Don't you have a ruler?"

Start with just drawing basic shapes. Then think about how you'd turn things you see in the world into those simple shapes. Practice doing just that. Spend a day just drawing curves the way your favorite artist does. Look at how they use color or texture in a drawing that you like.

Talent is simply an applied interest in something. Learning the how and why something works and then building the muscle memory to do it yourself.

And for one more trick that blew my mind when somebody first told me: a ruler works just as well on a tablet or screen as it does on a piece of paper.

[–] teft@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

Each person's mind's eye is different. Some people can keep a fully formed image in their mind for hours. Other for minutes and some people can't form an image at all.

People are weird and run the full gamut of abilities.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

interesting, I have aphantasia, and drawing/creating is how I can see things from my imagination.

[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup. I close my eyes and I see absolutely nothing.

To be honest, that might be the hardest thing to draw. Lemme take my pencil and magically make the paper disappear!

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[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's the thing. I don't have a mind's eye.

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[–] jlow@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Did this work for you? I'm earning my living as an illustrator and designer and for me it's part of the process that what I envision and what ends up on the (digital) paper is never the same. And that is ok, sometimes I feel it was better "in my head" but almost always whatever ends up in reality takes over / erases what I thought I wanted to do. Which is ok as well.

I also think if you never drawn before you could for sure just draw stuff in your head but it might be a good idea to at some point (or even start with) doing classic "learn to draw stuff" like doing online or in person courses, copying others (DO NOT PUBLISH THESE ANYWHERE) etc, to learn about perspective, colour, anatomy etc. But then I've drawn since I was a child and have no idea what the best way to learn drawing would be (I'm also sure this is different for different people).

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[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)

This meme feels super pretentious, nobody is using AI to generate images because they're scared of drawing.

It's the interest to effort threshold, for most people the interest in making art is less than the effort it takes so they just don't.

AI image generation provides a facsimile of that by generating images with basically no effort.

I feel like this is pretentious because it fundamentally misunderstands its target audience just to lecture about skill.

Edit: it's also incredibly cringe to self insert as superman

[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

nobody is using AI to generate images because they're scared of drawing.

That is a lie

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[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I dunno, it feels like some amount of the wanting ai to do it comes from knowing that it takes actual effort and maybe practice and there’s maybe a bit of fear in feeling bad because yours won’t be good enough on the first try.

Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes but it seems like a lot of people want to feel like artists but don’t want to be bad at it by trying and failing.

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[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

When I draw I draw because I wanna draw. I wanna do the motions, create something, basically express myself in a way.

If I use AI it's because I want some art, quick and dirty, right here right now. Sometimes later I do my own version, which is shittier, but again, then it's about drawing, not about wanting a picture.

I have no problem with folk who use AI images for their personal use. Just A) Don't pretend it's yours and B) Do not use it commercially

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I was going to disagree at first with the first sentence, but the rest of your comment is exactly what I was going to say.

Gen AI is for the middle managers and CEOs of life. The people who want the reward/recognition for doing a thing, but don't want to put in the effort to accomplish the task.

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[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can't draw worth a shit, I've been trying for 30 years. I gave up.

[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don't believe you tried consistently for 30 years and failed to improve.

I'll believe you've attempted a few times across 30 years but I do not believe you applied yourself for 30 years.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (6 children)

AI has its place in art, but it's limited.

I'm a professional underwater photographer, and AI upsacling and noise removal are excellent tools for me because they serve as technological solutions to technological problems. I put a lot of effort into planning, framing, lighting, etc, but noise and balancing resolution and exposure (higher pixel density on a sensor results in less light reaching each pixel) can have a huge impact that's unrelated to the art itself.

When the best solution aside from AI-powered retouching is to spend another 40 grand on better equipment, the AI isn't taking away from me as an artist. It's giving me the ability to improve my art more affordably.

[–] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's cool, but it sounds more like a useful tool for your work. If we're talking about artistic merit, upscaling and noise reduction isn't getting you there.

Clients expect a clean, high-res image because they're paying for it, but no one has ever been a great photographer just because they had a lot of megapixels.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exactly. Generative AI tools have their place in an artistic workflow. The difficulty is deciding where that line is, and I'm not sure it's something I'm qualified to judge.

I had a friend reach out a few years ago when her mother died asking me to retouch an old photo of her mom for the portrait at the funeral. It was a great picture of the deceased on a work trip to Japan, but she was wearing a big ugly lanyard and nametag, and hlthe color balance was really bad because of some lighting issues on site.

I spent a few hours retouching it and it came out really nice. It was something I was happy to do for a friend, but if it had been for a client I would have charged a few hundred bucks. Realistically, if my friend didn't glhave someone to do it for free, she wouldn't have been able to justify it.

Now, with generative fill and a few other tweaks, anybody could have achieved good enough results in just a few minutes. For someone trying to have a good picture of their Mom for their funeral, I'm 100% okay with that and don't feel artistically threatened by it. Is it doing something thay took years of work for me to learn to do? Yes. But the same thing could have been said about Photoshop in general versus the days of lightroom editing. Just a few years ago "serious" photography studios wouldn't touch digital anything, but adopting the CF card over the roll of film happened, and we're mostly fine with it now.

Tools change over time and make art and science more accessible, and that's mostly okay.

And it's not just art. I started my career in remote sensing (my actual degree is in Geography) using light tables, rulers, and razor blades to edit and analyze aerial photographs. Photogrammetry involved taking hand measurements with an engineer's scale of overlapping aerial photographs on 9"x9" film taken from aircraft at known altitudes and applying differential parallax calculations to determine structure height at one point, and now I can perform that math on hundreds of thousands of points simultaneously. I can do in 10 minutes what would have taken years to do manually. But the result wasn't the destruction of my field, but the expansion of it, because most people simply wouldn't use detailed aerial analysis. Now that we have cheap drones, cameras, and 3d mapping software, analysis that would have cost millions a few years ago costs thousands, so they're justifiable and now there's actual demand for the skills.

Do new geospatial analysts have it easier than I did? Yes. Is it annoying that many of my skills I worked hard on are outmoded? A bit. But that doesn't mean that people shouldn't have access to new tools.

And that's whuly the AI art conversation is difficult for me. There's plenty of examples of soulless AI slop, but where do we draw the line between useful tool for augmenting human effort and slop?

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"AI" is a shit term. there are many different models and types of AI, the AI used to fold proteins are vastly different to GPT... and calling them all "AI" is a marketing stunt to lump the useful models with useless LLMs or diffusion models.

AI tools are useful and amazing, but "Generative AI" are just useless slop machines

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Even gen AI has its place in my workflow. Gor instance, if there's a random bit of floating debris that catches the strobe on my camera and fucks up a portion of the image with the backscatter, generative fill tools vastly simplify the process of removing it. Yeah, I can do the old fashioned cloning and brushing path in many cases, but gen fill takes seconds and doesn't take away from my photos.

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol the upset people itt are EXACTLY who Superman is talking to

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

Thought he was handing you a blunt at first glance

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Sorry are you guys doing a thing? I'm just looking at Clark's bulge.

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

I'm more fixated on the belt buckle that says "Pizza"

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

why did he name his bulge pizza?

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a subliminal message to make you want to swallow it

silly superman. I don't need subliminal messages for that

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[–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

The issue isn't with curious individuals using AI recreationally (not my cup of tea though). The real problem is that corporations and enterprises use it to cut corners; i.e. big multinationals using AI for their ad campaigns; media outlets using AI illustrations instead of real footage; news and reports written completely with AI, and so forth. In short, (generative) AI is being used by capitalists to cut on labour costs when real humans could've done a better job.

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[–] rowrowrowyourboat@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Well, that's just a lie. Learning to draw is one of the hardest fucking things.

It takes years just to get good enough to learn the very basics, much longer to become good enough to draw anything like that Superman.

Fuck AI, but let's not bullshit. Unless you have hours and hours to give for years, you'll never be able to draw anything like you see in comic books.

[–] Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago

what you refer to as comics books is one style. I assume you mean DC/marvel...

try not focusing on the end goal, but the steps to get there instead

I could start doing cyanide and happiness art within a week or two with no prior art skills.

[–] blanket@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

one of the hardest things is just trying and putting in effort to get better at something you're interested in. giving up before you even try is the real failure. telling yourself it's not worth the effort is just denying yourself the payoff. set aside any amount of time you want at whatever interval you can manage (30 minutes a day, an hour a week, whatever) and you will only get better over time.

don't sell yourself short. if you want to do this, you can and the best time to start is now.

[–] teft@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It takes years to get good at anything worth being good at. That's just life.

If you want to be good at something you'll find the time. Especially if you like doing that thing.

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[–] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Getting to the level of a top-tier pro is hard, sure, but getting decent enough to derive satisfaction from the activity and make images people can enjoy isn't really all that hard if it's something you're actually interested in.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

"Unless you have hours and hours to give for years, you'll never be able to draw anything like you see in comic books." And there it is.

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Who is this for really? Like people who are here, presumably hate AI, and to the person the meme targets, this is obviously just condescending while simultaneously minimizing the amount of work that goes into actual art.

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[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

NGL in the thumbnail I thought the pencil was a joint lol

I agree with the message though: learn to draw, even if you suck at it you made it. It's your creation. And there's value there, you put the effort in, you brought the idea into this world. It's your little imperfect bundle of joy to show the world.

A picture can say a thousand words, make it and let it speak.

I'd rather have imperfect personal creations than perfect slop

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