Someone edit that into a joint please
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If I were on my computer I'd do that immediately. Perhaps I'll remember later
an famous artist I knew gave me some advice
just draw what your mind's eye sees. You can make it happen exactly as you see it in your mind if you focus on that mental image and stay true to putting it on the medium. If it doesn't happen at first, it just means you need to practice. It will happen if you stay true to yourself and what you see in your head.
This has real "draw the rest of the owl" vibes.
The "mind's eye" (if ygu've got such a thing) doesn't really work that way. You usually don't have a fully formed image in your mind.
Your brain will leave out stuff without noticing that something is missing. Also: you can't really get proper proportions from your "mind's eye". Also: what you're imagining usually also shifts a bunch.
IMO, much better advice from an art teacher who once told me that this is their response to when people say that they can't even draw a straight line: "Don't you have a ruler?"
Start with just drawing basic shapes. Then think about how you'd turn things you see in the world into those simple shapes. Practice doing just that. Spend a day just drawing curves the way your favorite artist does. Look at how they use color or texture in a drawing that you like.
Talent is simply an applied interest in something. Learning the how and why something works and then building the muscle memory to do it yourself.
And for one more trick that blew my mind when somebody first told me: a ruler works just as well on a tablet or screen as it does on a piece of paper.
Each person's mind's eye is different. Some people can keep a fully formed image in their mind for hours. Other for minutes and some people can't form an image at all.
People are weird and run the full gamut of abilities.
interesting, I have aphantasia, and drawing/creating is how I can see things from my imagination.
Yup. I close my eyes and I see absolutely nothing.
To be honest, that might be the hardest thing to draw. Lemme take my pencil and magically make the paper disappear!
Did this work for you? I'm earning my living as an illustrator and designer and for me it's part of the process that what I envision and what ends up on the (digital) paper is never the same. And that is ok, sometimes I feel it was better "in my head" but almost always whatever ends up in reality takes over / erases what I thought I wanted to do. Which is ok as well.
I also think if you never drawn before you could for sure just draw stuff in your head but it might be a good idea to at some point (or even start with) doing classic "learn to draw stuff" like doing online or in person courses, copying others (DO NOT PUBLISH THESE ANYWHERE) etc, to learn about perspective, colour, anatomy etc. But then I've drawn since I was a child and have no idea what the best way to learn drawing would be (I'm also sure this is different for different people).
This meme feels super pretentious, nobody is using AI to generate images because they're scared of drawing.
It's the interest to effort threshold, for most people the interest in making art is less than the effort it takes so they just don't.
AI image generation provides a facsimile of that by generating images with basically no effort.
I feel like this is pretentious because it fundamentally misunderstands its target audience just to lecture about skill.
Edit: it's also incredibly cringe to self insert as superman
nobody is using AI to generate images because they're scared of drawing.
That is a lie
I dunno, it feels like some amount of the wanting ai to do it comes from knowing that it takes actual effort and maybe practice and there’s maybe a bit of fear in feeling bad because yours won’t be good enough on the first try.
Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes but it seems like a lot of people want to feel like artists but don’t want to be bad at it by trying and failing.
When I draw I draw because I wanna draw. I wanna do the motions, create something, basically express myself in a way.
If I use AI it's because I want some art, quick and dirty, right here right now. Sometimes later I do my own version, which is shittier, but again, then it's about drawing, not about wanting a picture.
I have no problem with folk who use AI images for their personal use. Just A) Don't pretend it's yours and B) Do not use it commercially
I was going to disagree at first with the first sentence, but the rest of your comment is exactly what I was going to say.
Gen AI is for the middle managers and CEOs of life. The people who want the reward/recognition for doing a thing, but don't want to put in the effort to accomplish the task.
AI has its place in art, but it's limited.
I'm a professional underwater photographer, and AI upsacling and noise removal are excellent tools for me because they serve as technological solutions to technological problems. I put a lot of effort into planning, framing, lighting, etc, but noise and balancing resolution and exposure (higher pixel density on a sensor results in less light reaching each pixel) can have a huge impact that's unrelated to the art itself.
When the best solution aside from AI-powered retouching is to spend another 40 grand on better equipment, the AI isn't taking away from me as an artist. It's giving me the ability to improve my art more affordably.
That's cool, but it sounds more like a useful tool for your work. If we're talking about artistic merit, upscaling and noise reduction isn't getting you there.
Clients expect a clean, high-res image because they're paying for it, but no one has ever been a great photographer just because they had a lot of megapixels.
"AI" is a shit term. there are many different models and types of AI, the AI used to fold proteins are vastly different to GPT... and calling them all "AI" is a marketing stunt to lump the useful models with useless LLMs or diffusion models.
AI tools are useful and amazing, but "Generative AI" are just useless slop machines
Even gen AI has its place in my workflow. Gor instance, if there's a random bit of floating debris that catches the strobe on my camera and fucks up a portion of the image with the backscatter, generative fill tools vastly simplify the process of removing it. Yeah, I can do the old fashioned cloning and brushing path in many cases, but gen fill takes seconds and doesn't take away from my photos.
Thought he was handing you a blunt at first glance
Sorry are you guys doing a thing? I'm just looking at Clark's bulge.
I'm more fixated on the belt buckle that says "Pizza"
The issue isn't with curious individuals using AI recreationally (not my cup of tea though). The real problem is that corporations and enterprises use it to cut corners; i.e. big multinationals using AI for their ad campaigns; media outlets using AI illustrations instead of real footage; news and reports written completely with AI, and so forth. In short, (generative) AI is being used by capitalists to cut on labour costs when real humans could've done a better job.

Well, that's just a lie. Learning to draw is one of the hardest fucking things.
It takes years just to get good enough to learn the very basics, much longer to become good enough to draw anything like that Superman.
Fuck AI, but let's not bullshit. Unless you have hours and hours to give for years, you'll never be able to draw anything like you see in comic books.
what you refer to as comics books is one style. I assume you mean DC/marvel...
try not focusing on the end goal, but the steps to get there instead
I could start doing cyanide and happiness art within a week or two with no prior art skills.

one of the hardest things is just trying and putting in effort to get better at something you're interested in. giving up before you even try is the real failure. telling yourself it's not worth the effort is just denying yourself the payoff. set aside any amount of time you want at whatever interval you can manage (30 minutes a day, an hour a week, whatever) and you will only get better over time.
don't sell yourself short. if you want to do this, you can and the best time to start is now.
It takes years to get good at anything worth being good at. That's just life.
If you want to be good at something you'll find the time. Especially if you like doing that thing.
Getting to the level of a top-tier pro is hard, sure, but getting decent enough to derive satisfaction from the activity and make images people can enjoy isn't really all that hard if it's something you're actually interested in.
"Unless you have hours and hours to give for years, you'll never be able to draw anything like you see in comic books." And there it is.
Who is this for really? Like people who are here, presumably hate AI, and to the person the meme targets, this is obviously just condescending while simultaneously minimizing the amount of work that goes into actual art.
NGL in the thumbnail I thought the pencil was a joint lol
I agree with the message though: learn to draw, even if you suck at it you made it. It's your creation. And there's value there, you put the effort in, you brought the idea into this world. It's your little imperfect bundle of joy to show the world.
A picture can say a thousand words, make it and let it speak.
I'd rather have imperfect personal creations than perfect slop