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Stupid ass private education bullshit

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 142 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Here in Sweden education is free, and the government provides a (small) monthly payout to students.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 41 points 1 week ago

It’s one of the things I’m most grateful about living in Sweden. I wouldn’t be able to pursue higher education otherwise.

[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Social infrastructure FTW, a far more respectable way to run the ship. I'll keep with the boat analogy to use another idiom; "a rising tide lifts all boats" society shows wisdom in encouraging the kinds of conditions where their citizens can succeed without significant barriers, and improve the whole of it afterward (instead of the banking institutions which extend predatory high-interest loans) with their success. Hats off to Sweden.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Here in Sweden education is free

Free at point of service. But it's 7% of Swedish GDP, with all of that coming from public coffers.

Compare it to the US, which spends only 5.5% of GDP on education, with the majority on the heavily privatized university level.

The math gets worse when you look at student/teacher ratios, administration overhead, building construction, and spending on extracurriculars like sports.

Americans spend less overall than their swedish counterparts, but far more on amenities that have nothing to do with the actual mechanics of education.

According to my American economics education, this proves the American system is actually more efficient. Swedes would do better to adopt our model, if they want to be A#1 Liberty Whiskey Sexy, like we are.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

More efficient for whom? And how? Because this is kind of hard to agree with when the efficient solution is a small amount of people with huge amounts of debt and everyone else not getting an education even if they want it.

I mean, what's the point of public coffers if they aren't being spent on public good?

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 74 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It doesn't benefit the ruling class if too many of the wrong people access education; they may get ideas.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

may start voting to the wrong politicians

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago

also competing with the rich for high paying jobs too. thats why its gatekept. like AMA, AND MANY graduate level jobs.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 60 points 1 week ago (6 children)

A man I respect quite a lot used to say that college should pay a full-time wage to the students. It should be challenging, it should be a real education (which a lot of modern college is not), and in exchange for that, if you are improving your understanding of the world and your ability to contribute to society, that should be something that society pays you a pretty decent wage for, because it's a fucking valuable activity.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It really should be a challenge. The saying at my kids college/university was "A 'C' gets a degree". And while "haha that's funny" there were many in that group that took that literally and put in the least effort possible.

For work, my team and I work with engineer types, and its been a 10 years span of helping them. The newer graduates are a mixed bag: some are bright and innovative, and some are coasters.

We've had young guys asking for help on a problem, and as you help they start replying to text messages on social media, missing the entire "help" session you provide.

We've had grads struggle with simple counting / talling.

We have done step by step troubleshooting documentation. Then field a call from somebody saying the steps don't work. OK let's see your system and go through the steps. Let's check Step 1.
Them: oh I didn't do step one, because it said I didn't have system permission. So I just did step 2 onward.

I could go on, but I should end this rant LOL.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah. I was really blessed in terms of my upbringing that my family deeply valued education and taught me what was education and what was a stupid waste of time (which, some but not all of the public school US education I got was) and why the education was a vital human sacred thing. And so when I got to college I really wanted the real education part. It really alarmed me when people would be happy about the easy bullshit classes or upset about the difficult classes. Like bro... why the fuck are you even here? Learn HVAC instead, you'll save some money on loans and you can probably make more than you would as a data analyst or whatever the fuck.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It was free until some time in the 1960s when black people started getting involved in higher education, then the republicans got big mad about that and changed the rules because they're racist pieces of shit. They would rather make everyone suffer if it hurts one person who isn't a white christian republican.

There's more detail but that's the short version.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Here in Aus it was free up until the 90's. When one of my coworkers told me that I actually nearly started the revolution then and there lmao. All this talk about how hecs is a good system from all these privileged ass old people when they didn't have to pay a dollar >:(

[–] db2@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Something something bootstraps avocado toast. 🙄

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago

For what its worth, you can sit in on most if not all lectures, without paying. Tutorials, exams and the fancy robe and paper cost, but to sit and listen to the lectures is free at all unis. Some caveats apply regarding crowding, but generally you can acquire knowledge for free.

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[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So that's why the USA is the primary source of monetised knowledge. Fwiw I fully support pirating educational media, because if many countries of the world can access a significant amount of education for free, everyone should have the same chance, regardless of how the government of the locale wants to rule and restrict it.

I support fair wages for those who deliver publicly available services at material cost only or lower, so I support taxation that finances it and minimum wage regulation. Even though I believe the current minimum wage in the West isn't sufficiently regulated. It needs to triple in order to catch up to the 'inflation', or the perceived monetary value of everything.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

It was free until some time in the 1960s when black people started getting involved

Black students, Jewish students, East Asian students... Anyone who wasn't a WASP with wealthy parents.

George Bush Jr famously had to make Yale his safety school because he couldn't qualify for UTexas.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate? I've never heard this before, and for most of the 1960s it was the Democrats who were the racist pieces of shit (to the extent it was even partisan).

Not saying you're wrong; I have a vague notion that Reagan mostly was the one who ruined higher education but I don't actually know that much about it. Is there something I can read about this though?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago

Yeah, so it was Reagan. It doesn't sound really racial, it sounds like it was a reaction against the antiwar and student activism movement (which was definitely not exclusively a black thing). Sounds like it was Republicans, yes, but more than racism it was just part and parcel of them hating things that make America successful or enable us to compete (because that makes them feel weak, because they can't.)

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[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Disclaimer: I 100% support "free" healthcare and "free" education.

Being a teacher is a job. Being a college professor is a job. Being a nurse is a job. Being a janitor for a college campus is a job. People need money and benefits to do jobs. We've not yet achieved a post-scarcity economy where people can work without being reimbursed for their efforts.

Anyone who labels the goal of providing publicly-funded education or publicly-funded healthcare as "free" is either arguing in bad faith or too naive to understand what the goal should be. As a society we should provide public services, such as education and healthcare, to all humans who ask for it. For the good of all humans. But it's something we all have to collectively fund.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Free to the user... Are you just trying to muddy this water?

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[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It doesn’t.

It takes time and effort to gain more knowledge. It has never been cheaper or more accessible to acquire knowledge than it is today.

To increase your intelligence, is another matter all together.

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I would also add that damn near all of human information is free to be had on the internet for the low, low price of a monthly broadband bill. The real expense comes when you want a piece of paper that says you know all this that other people will take seriously.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It doesn't if you know how to read. I don't think of college as paying to learn; it's paying to prove to others that you possibly have learned something. You can just learn things outside of school on your own. You just won't have a degree proving it.

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[–] Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (17 children)

It's still free. You're not paying for the education, you are paying teachers and university buildings/materials. No one is stopping you from going to the library and learning. The internet hosts a large wealth of knowledge.

I'm ready for those downvotes, but it's just a hardpill to swollow

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I would argue that primarily youre paying for the recognition of your education, as in your diploma, which is often what employers look at.

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] thepompe@ttrpg.network 23 points 1 week ago (20 children)

It doesn't.

You need to study to be smart and studying is free.

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[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I would argue that its rare for education to make you smarter, it mostly makes you more knowlegable.

Knowledge is mostly free though. You can get it from the internet, from the library etc. A lot of what you are paying for is the certification - some places let you just sit the exam I think.

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[–] Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

The library is free, my dude

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Free education would empower 'those' people. And the right desperately needs an other to denigrate.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It doesn't.

It costs money to get a piece of paper that proves you got smarter.

You can go to any public library and get access to nearly published material to learn from for free.

All you're missing now is academia. So go bum around a public university library and ask some college student if they canl check something out for you. Admittedly there's a money piece here, there's way around it, not all of them legal, but that'd be your easiest path.

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[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Thats about certificated stuff from school. Knowledge has never been more accessible than today.

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[–] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago

RIP Aaron Swartz

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

*in the US. In Germany a semester at my university costs about 300 Euros and that includes cheaper lunch and a ticket to use all public transport in the whole of Germany.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

It is not about getting smarter. It is about transferring knowledge. For that, the teaching person must a) have the knowledge, and b) the skills to actually transfer it. Both do not come easy and cheap.

You simply pay a professional person money for professional work. And sometimes it is really, really worth it. I learned one programming language in an expensive three day course - from the person who wrote the actual tools. This was intense. The amount of knowledge and insight gained was marvelous. And well worth the money.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Libraries are free.

Many libraries and community centers offer free classes depending on the subject. Local clubs can offer classes. Lots of youtube classes are free, like Khan Academy.

What you’re paying for is the degree on top of the education. A checkmark in a box that employers use to weed out people that don’t play the game of jumping through the hoops.

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[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In Australia University used to be free. At some point they realised that Asia is close and has a virtually limitless supply of rich parents who want to pay big money for their kids to be lawyers and doctors.

Education is now one of Australia's main exports.

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

It only costs money to get the little piece of paper that says you did the thing and are therefore smarter. 🙃

[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I guess you're talking about the US.

Well, everything costs money there: education, health, safety... It's capitalist dystopia.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are a lot more quality free learning resources than people realise.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Honestly, there isn't hardly anything you couldn't learn on your own. But what higher education provides is structure. It can be very difficult to actually follow through with the education if you do not have scheduled classes, exams you have to study for, deadlines for projects/exams, etc

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

formal education feels like it was fully co-opted by "the market"

If you want to join "the market" (have a job and get paid for it), you need formal education
To get formal education, you need money
To get money, you need to join "the market" or have someone who's "in" to pay for you

As for "getting smarter", that's different from formal education

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[–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This may not be a popular opinion but I personally reject the belief that universities have a monopoly on education. In fact I think most are designed to create a more compliant employee.

That said libraries are free, piracy is free, YouTube hosts millions of lectures by experts in their field and can be downloaded to watch or listen offline. I personally have spent the past couple years learning about the affects of US imperialism and haven’t spent a cent on it

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