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I'm from Korea, and we impeached our president last year, mostly because he declared martial law, but he was also a terrible president, and no one really liked him being there, even his own party.

Why can't the U.S do the same, if Donald Trump is so bad? Why are some Americans even supporting him?

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We did. Twice.

Impeachment is essentially the official accusation. This then has to go to trail in the Senate, and the Senate has never been un-corrupt enough to convict him.

In the words of Gomez Adams, "Well aren't you a lady killer?" "Acquitted!"

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 12 hours ago

Because impeachment is only the first step of the process, and removing him from office would require a 2/3 majority after he’s impeached. Currently, his supporters hold a majority in every branch of the government, which is how they’ve been able to pass so much heinous shit in such a short period. So there’s no chance of that 2/3 vote happening under the current congress.

[–] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 hours ago

He's been impeached twice already. What will a third impeachment accomplish? We've already shown that it's just theatrics and he doesn't give a shit...

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

If we get majority in 2026, he will be impeached. That's why he's attacking all things voting. Districts, machines, and methods.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Let's be real - if they get a majority, the Dems will find a way to delay the impeachment until the end of his term, in the hopes of getting more votes in 2028. They already pulled the same shit twice.

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

If we get majority in 2026

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Democrats couldn't be bothered to even meet the left halfway when dems were actively supporting a genocide. Dems will never win again.

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

And also free speech, free press, rights in general.... And I also can't shake the feeling that the government shutdown was a ploy to attempt to delay or cancel both upcoming elections.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

They will definitely try. They can't win without some form of cheating.

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Why they vote for him in the first place lol

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 2 points 8 hours ago

Because the vote was rigged and Elon Musk basically bought Trump the election.

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago

just sayin', russians had no qualms or juridical implications when they removed nicholas ii.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 18 points 17 hours ago

Trump's party has a majority in both Congressional houses. Also, for impeachment to become a conviction, you need 2/3 of the vote in the Senate to get Trump pushed out of office. That will require several of Trump's party's senators to vote for impeachment. During the last Trump impeachment, only one of Trump's party voted for impeachment and he is no longer a senator.

[–] dx1@lemmy.ml 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Because the political machinery is captive to the ruling class.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

To expand on this a bit: impeachment in a liberal democracy isn't meant as a tool for the people to remove a president that doesn't serve their interests. It is meant as a tool for the wealthy and powerful (the venn diagram there is almost a circle) to remove a president that doesn't serve their interests. Look at who's paying the congresspeople and their parties. Their donors, for all intents and purposes, get to decide whether to impeach. (those same donors also control the vast majority of the media, so they can shape public opinion/manufacture consent too).

So far the wealthy have no reason to dislike Trump, so he'll stay in power for a while. If that changes (due to dementia or otherwise) he might get impeached. I think the most likely way for that to happen is if his dumb ass crashes the real sector again in a way that hurts the rich, a-la 2020. It sadly comes down to a game of chance here: his austerity measures and trying to "save a buck" on vital government functions make a disaster more likely, but not guaranteed.

It's the same in South Korea: the only reason the president was removed is because his erratic actions while trying to cling to power hurt the interests of the wealthy directly. The people had very little to do with it; it could have very easily gone very different, if the military (which was present at the time of the protests) got slightly different orders, or the congress people got slightly different whispers in their ears.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

I think we did twice

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 28 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You'd need a majority in Congress and a super majorty in the Senate to be successful. Both houses currently support Trump. He was impeached twice in his first term but not removed because of a lack of a Senate super majority.

He's still very popular, many peooke are disappointed bevase he's not more aggressive.

An example, reading some comments in the FT about the No Kings protest and many of the comments said Trump should arrest all the protestors for being commie traitors

US Politics is absurdist theatre for the rest of the world

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Also murdering people on boats and showing it on live tv.... Wow.

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[–] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

"If we could just get rid of one guy all would be saved" good one

You're in U.S occupied Korea so you should know shit's fucked beyond just one guy

What's improved since you impeached a 3rd president in the last 20 years? A less outwardly corrupt president was elected?

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 15 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

The funny thing is that they tried to impeach trump twice the first time he was president. Both times failed because there weren't enough votes in the senate to actually impeach him.

So, even if 'muricans tried again, it's likely the impeachment would fail again because of their senate

[–] chaospatterns@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Small correction. He was impeached by the House. The Senate then decides whether to convict, not whether to impeach.

[–] meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works 12 points 18 hours ago

Which is why it's so important that we turn out and vote in the midterms. So many Americans don't vote in the midterms because it's not for the presidential race.

Anyway if you can vote in the next midterms, show TF up and we could actually get the votes to oust this monster.

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Because America is a completely corrupt society hiding behind the facade of a first world country. It's an example of how capitalism rewards the shittiest people who have no empathy for others unless they can benefit from them.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Pretty much this.

The short answer to OPs question is: he still has support from republicans, oligarchs, and voters.

The reasons are complex but I think there are several.

Firstly no compulsory voting. Honestly the US could barely be called a "democracy" before the current shit show.

Also the "both sides" narrative perpetuated even by those on the left, to their own detriment. The left literally protesting against their own side.

America's history of violence, racism.

Late stage capitalism - people are desperate and will follow along with populist policies even if they are lies.

Checks and balances keeping everything just a tiny sliver to the sane side of abject chaos. Like the tariffs in April - Trump rode right up to the edge but chickened out. If he hadn't he would've lost control after the global financial economy collapsed.

Religion. Not sure what the situation is in Korea but it can't be as bad as the US. Christianity in the US is just a salve to allow assholes to justify their shit behavior.

I could go on.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Like what @TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone said, what do you mean the left is protesting against "their own side?" The DNC isn't left, it's a right-wing party.

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[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

The left literally protesting against their own side.

Sorry, who on the left did the left protest against?

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[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We impeached him twice. He just didn’t get removed.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

What is an impeachment then? I thought the result of an impeachment would be the removal of the president.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 40 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

It's kind of a vote of no confidence that then requires the US Senate to hold a "trial" on whether to remove. Essentially, the House (a more general populace representative body) says "he is bad and should be reviewed'. Then the Senate (which more represents the states, not the public) decides whether to agree and then a removal happens if they do.

Otherwise? It's just the Senate saying "he's fine and we're okay with it", which is what the Republicans are. They're okay with crime and hatred of fellow Americans as long as it's their people doing the hating and criming.

[–] B0rax@feddit.org 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, that’s not very useful then, is it?

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 12 points 21 hours ago

It relies mostly upon people feeling shame about being denounced. Being impeached is mostly about an official denouncement.

If you don't care, then it means nothing to the individual. It then falls upon the citizens to actually give a fuck about their country having leadership who is more positive than negative. What we've learned in the last handful of years is that about 30% of voters would vote for a king if that king hates the same people they do. Another 30% don't care who runs anything, so a king is fine with them.

So... A ruling monarch the US will have. It's nearing the end of the Republic and Orange Fürher has crossed the Rubicon. Apparently no one cares enough to really deal with it, but we'll surely see lots of walking around on a weekend as to not cause any inconvenience.

Yes, I feel No Kings is the right message, but the actual wherewithal to enforce the Republic isn't visible yet.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

Impeachment is basically voting for there to be a hearing. You can think of it like an indictment. But then he has to be convicted at the hearing and been removed. Which will never ever happen in a senate controlled by Republicans.

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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago

Why can’t the U.S do the same, if Donald Trump is so bad?

We don't have a legal mechanism for it. In the US Constitution, the people do not have a direct power of impeachment. As a Federalist system, the US Federal Government was designed as a government of governments. So, the power to impeaching the US President is given to Congress, not the people.

Impeachment is a two step process in the US. The House of Representatives (the larger of the two houses) is required to pass Articles of Impeachment which list the reasons for removal. Those are then taken up by the Senate (the smaller house) which tries the President and requires a 2/3 majority to convict the President.

While it's easy to get a sense that everyone hates the US President, especially here on Lemmy, his popularity isn't all that far behind previous US Presidents. Yes, he is net unpopular, but not so much that his removal is politically possible. His own party (Republicans) still supports him, and they hold majorities in both houses. As such, they are neither going to pass Articles of Impeachment, nor would they convict him (and most certainly not at the 2/3 level needed in the Senate).

Why are some Americans even supporting him?

The US is rather starkly divided, politically speaking, at the moment. And people will overlook a lot from the leaders of their own party, if it means keeping the other party out of power. Trump is the latest, and one of the more extreme examples of this. His claims that he could shoot someone and not lose any votes may be close to true. There was a special election in 2017 where the Republican candidate had credible allegations of sexual misconduct with a minor. This was for a Senate seat from Alabama, which one would normally expect to vote overwhelmingly Republican. Moore did end up losing, but is was closer than one would expect, when one of the candidates is likely a pedophile.

Again, if your only source of information about US politics comes from Lemmy, you're getting a very skewed view. Yes, he's not popular at the moment, but there is a large segment of the US population which agrees with him. And that means we're kinda stuck with him until 2018.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 17 hours ago

Trump was impeached twice in his first term. Impeachment in the US does not mean removal from office and too many on his side protect him

[–] lath@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because Republicans vs Democrats has almost reached North Korea vs South Korea status. Republicans want their "democratic" glorious leader and Democrats want profits. And neither care about the people.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

A better analogy would be DPK vs PPP as DNC and GOP analogues. The ROK is deeply divided politically right now, similar to the US, between a sort of liberal socdem party (DPK) and a fascist party (PPP).

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago

Because it doesn’t work anymore, especially with the Republicans in charge. They know that if trump goes they’ll be held to account, too, so better to keep the PoS in office so they don’t have to deal with any fallout. They’d have to follow through with removal from office. Impeachment has become nothing more than wagging a finger and a furrowed brow

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 10 points 20 hours ago

Cause the system is broken by design and the people can’t just do it.

[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago

It's a two step process: a majority of the House must vote to impeach, then the Senate has a trial where you need a two-thirds majority to convict and remove them from office. House Democrats actually impeached Trump twice in his first term when they had the majority (once for blackmailing Ukraine, and again after the January 6th attack), but Republicans in the Senate blocked conviction.

Right now, Republicans have the majority in both the House and the Senate, so there's not even a chance of impeachment, much less conviction.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 18 points 1 day ago

no one really liked him being there, even his own party

This is the difference. Trump is still liked by roughly half the country. And the Republican party still fully supports him.

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago

The Founders created the impeachment process without consideration for political parties. They naively assumed Congress would act in accordance with the Constitution and standard jurisprudence with no regard for ideology. While it hasn't always been this way, there are really only two parties that matter at the Federal level. The House of Representatives, which is responsible for determining whether a trial is appropriate (similar to a Grand Jury), is controlled by Republicans. They won't even consider holding impeachment hearings, let alone recommend a trial in the Senate. The Senate, also controlled by Republicans, would likely do the same thing they did twice during his first term, which is essentially nothing.

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