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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

Incredible displays of racism, holy shit.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

most American liberals don't realize that they are white supremacists so there is gonna be a lot of denialism like this as their century of humiliation accelerates

[–] Crikeste@hexbear.net 2 points 14 hours ago

My dad, a Mexican, a democrat, and a Trump death fantasizer:

“These damn Mexicans need to learn how to drive and speak English or they can get the hell out”

Like, huh? I really think they’re just mad that Trump gets to say the things they don’t, or at least without consequence.

[–] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago

The US might even soon have The Copium Wars.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 88 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

The west has no emotional connection to China's past or history. The only history the west knows is kung fu, a monkey series, some people know three kingdoms vaguely from dynasty warriors and then there's the century of humiliation.

The largest part that they actually know is the century of humiliation. This is in large part due to british influence.

They know nothing else, so anything they see just feels hollow because there's no context for any of it. It doesn't feel real.

Contrast this with what they do know - european history - and they have a completely different feeling about all art and culture because they can contextualise it in their knowledge of that history. It feels right, it feels real, and it doesn't feel fantasy, because it is something they understand.

Contrast this again with Japan and you can see how Japanese culture, religion and art resonates with people in the west because they can contextualise it better as a result of far more engagement with and understanding of Japan.

This "feeling" issue is just vibes created by familiarity, with the history and the culture.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No thats impossible. My perspective is neutral, and my emotions and sentimental attachments are the correct ones.

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

yes, except that most westerners know barely more about european history than they do about chinese history. they know a narrative they've been fed that is somehow about ancient greece, handwave, then the roman empire, handwave, then some medieval shit, then liberal democracy emerges.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Each European country knows more about the most recent 300-500 years of their own country compared to the longer history, which is essentially just connected to the history of the church. You missed Vikings though too they love that shit.

Example, here in the UK we know a fuckload about monarchs because that shit is forced down our throats. Particularly the Victorian era as it's tied to support and pride for the British empire, while the rest is tied to england coming into existence as a united entity and foundational to what it means to be "English". Without that knowledge there basically is no English identity and the English could go back to being 20 different groups. The midlands, the South, Cornish, Northumberland etc etc, these are all unique identities without the indoctrination that schools provide to forge the idea of "England", they are still unique identities to this day and I could very much see a scenario where they split off again in the face of a rejection of English-ness under the right sequence of events and conditions.

Some of the same shit I imagine also plays out in each European country. I can't say for sure as I've not really dived into how they teach their history and maintain that identity, I assume similar reasons for what they teach but different history of course.

Each individual European country knows a good chunk of its history along with how that history connects to the christian church. This ties together euro cultural identities.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

i forgot the vikings because they're not relevant to our myth here in hungary :) which ties in neatly with what you said about each country building its own little myth.

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[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 47 points 2 days ago

"not a racist, btw"

[–] CrookedSerpent@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's sounds like they are implying a specific element that the intended reader of the comment should know, but I can't, for the life of me, figure out what they mean by that. Chinese culture, from my very limited understanding of it as a very westernized ABC, certainly isn't lacking in any fundamental aspect that I could even conceive an ignorant and racist person believing. Surely, even the most chavanistic Europeans of centuries past could see the incredible culture of one of the world's oldest civilizations. Is this person somehow even more ignorant than them? Incredible

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Surely, even the most chavanistic Europeans of centuries past could see the incredible culture of one of the world's oldest civilizations.

Europeans well into the 18th century looked up to China. Go read up what people like Voltaire said about Confucius. It's really the 19th century when Europeans thought that China ain't shit.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago

Surely, even the most chavanistic Europeans of centuries past could see the incredible culture of one of the world's oldest civilizations. Is this person somehow even more ignorant than them? Incredible

I think you can be so chauvinistic as to do that but I think the answer for lindyman specifically isn't even that, he's just a dunce. Walked through china, saw chinese culture and he can recognize it as such but crucially it's mired and has its groundworks in very different cultural axioms and preferences, which makes the end result feel like 20% off. Then you just have to be chauvinistic enough to go "well this doesn't speak to me, default type person" and voila

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 day ago

I think they might be talking about Jesus/Christianity. A lot of western civilization enjoyers think anything that isn't based in their religion is doomed to fail.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, crumbling for 5000 years now.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago

They're never gonna come up with 3 hours of good guys punching robots, y'all. They're cooked.

[–] itsraining@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not really worried about him.

I think there is a dimension missing from his brain.

You notice it when you read his post.

And without this dimension he will eventually crumble.

[–] Skye@hexbear.net 58 points 2 days ago

We need Chinese fighter jets flying over US cities so it'll feel more familiar to American culture catgirl-salute

[–] dirakon@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

They just insist upon themselves, you know?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 46 points 2 days ago

suffering under capitalism puts exquisite nuance into art you would never understand.

[–] OffSeasonPrincess@hexbear.net 73 points 2 days ago (6 children)
[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 50 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The incredible thing is that this is literally what America looks like. I think most people who haven't been to America probably imagine this is kind of a joke, like 99% of America can't possibly look like this. But it does. I could walk from my current position for around 5 minutes and take a picture that looks exactly like this.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Every time I see this image I think "I've been here" and it's true! I've been to a dozen places that look exactly like this.

My favorite bit of Americana are the cell towers disguised as trees.

I've seen these things in the middle of areas like that photo. Like the residents of the town got wind of a cell tower going up and demanded it not "ruin the rural character" so they made it look like the shittiest tree imaginable.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

tbh that's probably the least offensive thing we do

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Sure but we also put these all over wooded mountainous areas:

5g mesh network towers. I don't personally care but I do find it deeply funny that Americans will get beet fucking red about getting a cell tower in their suburban hellscape because they think it still has "rural character" and then also put up a mat black Obelisk of Verizon every mile and a half down ancient mountains so they can get any internet at all.

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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago

i'm a bit further from the overpass and there are too many trees there, but any time i have the misfortune of driving i see that picture, three strip malls, and a religious "school". wtf

also that copy of it looks way oversaturated. green road signs aren't that neon

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[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's so depressing when one learns that our car-centric "culture" (and most US "culture") was manufactured by ad agencies. It didn't HAVE to be like this.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

and people act like its extremism to treat people in advertizing like the little hitlers they are

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago

Oh wow you mean to tell me "do something" guy has another incredibly myopic and detached take. Wild.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 74 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Something essential is missing

Is it product placement?

[–] huf@hexbear.net 87 points 2 days ago

it's whiteness

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 59 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (17 children)

Unfortunately China has a lot of that. Most jarring thing is they have like town criers but for stores and they are just shouting into a megaphone about good deals with another 100 town criers next to them

Incredibly annoying. DPRK seems way calmer

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[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago

That's the essence of politics under liberal democracy isn't it?

[–] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nazi cope often has stuff about how there is no "soul" or not true intelligence because it is mechanical like robot while they compare people with a reptile or an insect while mumbling something about it lacking real creativity or some vibes flavored denial but it basically boils down to they are not white and thus will fail and never be real. "Missing something" is also stuff I have heard them say. When someone says something like that, you poke them a little and it immediately devolves into them turning into measurehead

[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 39 points 2 days ago

Racial esentialism's final form

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 39 points 2 days ago

The Occidental barbarian struggles to understand the transcendent beauty of Chinese culture, mistaking the sublime for mundaneness.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah dude, sure, a 5000+ year old civilization & culture is surely missing a dimension that's obvious to any westerner and will crumble because of that.

Like, contemporary Chinese culture surely has issues (see: rat race to the bottom), but it's nothing compared to the issues of contemporary American culture (see: vaguely gestures at the state of the western world)

[–] RedSturgeon@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago

Is it the lack of desire to spread DEMOCRACY freedom-and-democracy to others?

Of course when you build your whole personality around how cool and good you are and how the lame and bad people around the world are, and you blame them for making your life worse, then yes you will not be able to relate to someone who focuses on themselves. Even though all human beings have a lot more in common than they have differences, only when you remove yourself from the human experience through the process of self-alienation do you stop being able to relate.

It's just Nazi projection

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

let me guess, the 'missing' characteristic is yakubians?

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

I hope to God this dude isn't American and talking about there being a shallowness to Chinese culture, to say nothing of talking about fucking literature like more than 5% of Americans read literature that was written for adults. Obviously this also applies to the "life" category too, but that's much harder to persuade someone of, while these other points are unforgivable.

So that just leaves non-literary art and, like . . . our best auteurs make movies that are a waste of time and it's just a question of whether they make money from special effects or shot composition that doesn't actually advance a message, and we get like one really good TV series per 10,000, including some of the most heinously senseless garbage you can imagine (shout out to Tulsa King), and remember what I said about how no one reads? If even 1% of Americans can name a single contemporary American painter other than fucking Banksy, I would truly be fucking shocked unless it was like a comic book artist who paints on the side (no disrespect to them), or if .1% could name a sculptor. Don't worry about digital art either, because we're doing our best to drown it in AI slop (like literature, incidentally).

But it's okay, because we have the long tradition of American musical theater, where the biggest play of the last decade, which the cultured First Lady Michelle Obama (BA from Princeton, JD from Harvard) called "the best piece of art in any form that I've ever seen in my life," is . . . Hamilton

Fuck this fucking country. Literally all we have is music, and that shit's been dominated by sexual abusers since rock and roll was a real thing, if not longer.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If even 1% of Americans can name a single contemporary American painter other than fucking Banksy, I would truly be fucking shocked unless it was like a comic book artist who paints on the side (no disrespect to them), or if .1% could name a sculptor. Don't worry about digital art either, because we're doing our best to drown it in AI slop (like literature, incidentally).

the CIA stopped funding and promoting shitty art 30 years ago so we don't have celebrity physical artists anymore.

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago

that one american painter: george bush. i'm so sorry.

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[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago

Can someone explain how he managed to post straight through the empathchan debacle? Depraved man

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