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Musicians have long criticized the streaming service’s paltry payouts, but a new wave of boycotts is emerging

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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

I moved to Qobuz. Meets my every need.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 17 hours ago

You can download music via Newpipe if anyone is curious

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I don't mind sourcing my own music, but what I want is to be suggested songs based on what I listen to. My musical horizons have broadened a lot thanks to that.

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 9 points 18 hours ago

I can't picture a service which beats Spotify in what they offer which isn't just the same business model but more ethical.

Discovering music for free is an enormous benefit, and the fact that Spotify has practically all mainstream music is nice. People often cite that one quote by Gabe Newell that is "Piracy is not an economic problem. It is a service problem", as a highlight for steam, but largely Spotify offers what consumers want in a way Netflix or Audible can't. They have everything you want and guide your discovery in even more, and as long as their encroaching enshittification doesn't undercut this service, they will continue to underpay artists and fund immoral activities.

The developer of Ultrakill, Hakita, said something which I've often thought about. "You should support indies if you can, but culture shouldn't exist only for those who can afford it. ULTRAKILL wouldn't exist if I hadn't had easy access to movies, music and games growing up. If you don't have money, you can support via word of mouth". There are plenty of independent things I financially support, particularly things I attend in person in the city I live in. I may spend £100 per month paying for art and entertainment all said and done, and when that's spent, I will pirate everything else.

I split a Spotify family plan between 6 friends, I think that's about £3.50 per month, and I pay for no other media services. With video, I run a jellyfin server with a "parent friendly" interface, so they can have "netflix with everything", which I have at my place too. I don't read that much any more, if it's physical I just go to the library and if it's an audiobook I'll just pirate it. The benefit here is that even if I'm on a reading binge, that's not even a book a week. With Spotify, I often pick something and play it via song radio, which is probably 50/50 music I know and new music. Sometimes I just stick albums on, but it's not like that's harder. If I had a locally hosted music repository that I'd "paid for", I could enjoy albums, but not as easily have a radio like discovery experience.

One day, a pirate tool may appear that rivals Spotify, but until that day, I can't see myself moving away from it.

Go to your local live music, drag shows, theatres, independent cinemas and libraries. Don't feel obligated to pay for any internet service.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

I use both listenbrainz and chosic for suggestions. Both work well.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago
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[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

Is there another service that has anything comparable to Spotify's family plan? I have like 4 other people on the family plan I pay for and I really don't wanna fuck them over by switching lol

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I think that's the point of all this. It's currently way too cheap for the consumers. Adjusted for inflation from the 80s, an album would cost over $30 today. Each album. To get infinite music for $10 a month, yeah the artists are getting screwed.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 points 10 hours ago

Artists have never made any significant money from album sales unless they self publish. 90%+ of the revenue from a cd sale goes to the publisher, producers, executives, marketing, etc. Going to live shows and buying merch has always been the primary way artists actually make money.

[–] UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm using Qobuz. As I know they pay the most to the artist ($0.01873 vs $0.004 ). Qobuz Family costs 20,83€ per months and I think you get free access to a service which moves your Spotify playlists to qobuz.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. If your family knows how to use Spotify, they will be okay with qobuz.

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

Apple Music has a family plan, and it's cheaper than Spotify's, at least in Canada (16.99 vs 20.99).

Qobuz has a family plan too, a little more expensive than Apple's here but still cheaper than Spotify's.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

Apple is hardly the giant corporation you want to be switching to, though.

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[–] pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Deezer? They still don't pay artists much, but I think it's still better than Spotify

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

The Artist-Centric model sucks. The artists that benefits the most is the biggest artists like Drake etc. This system does create a two-tier royalty structure that favors bigger or more established artists with a loyal fanbase

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I stopped using it. I have a navidrome server I run and purchase songs from artists directly when possible, otherwise, I acquire them and support artists directly in other ways

[–] Peck@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

But how do you discover new things? I don't mind paying for music but not if I don't even know if I'm going to like it

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Listenbrainz and chosic work great for me

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

So you pirate their work, giving them nothing, instead of using Spotify where they actually do get paid?

So you don’t really care about the artist, it’s just an excuse to justify piracy lol.

Dude just say you prefer to pirate. You don’t need to pretend to be doing it because of morals.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Additionally Spotify pays them shit. A number of artists have done "pay what you want" including 0 for their music on Bandcamp, they all reported making more money in a week than multiple months of Spotify.

You are also assuming I don't find other ways to support artists, like merch, shows, patreon and Bandcamp.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

I never said pirate. You are assuming.

[–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Mp3s are at it. Because Spotty doesn't have some of the songs I actually like, and record companies even remove tracks that were previously available on physical media.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've been downloading FLAC (lossless), and when I transfer to my phone, I encode to Opus, which is supposed to have better sound quality than MP3 at comparable file sizes.

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[–] Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Where do I like... buy... music?

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Bandcamp or many artists have digital purchase options on their website.

If you can't purchase it online you could do physical media.

Otherwise you can find other ways to get the music and support artists in other ways. Shows, merch and patreons usually go directly to artists.

[–] slampisko@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

I do it on Bandcamp.

[–] Unquote0270@programming.dev 4 points 22 hours ago

Bandcamp, qobuz, amazon

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 73 points 1 day ago (15 children)

for anyone this inspires to make the jump, i recommend Tidal and Bandcamp.

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[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As a hoarder, I spend more time listening to new music than not, and Spotify' features and personalized discovery algorithms help tremendously with that.

These days more and more AI songs are creeping into my Spotify and I notice them. That has caused me to be suspicious of every song I hear enough that even when I find a good real song, the enjoyment is undercut by that constant underlying feeling of "this could be AI" even though I know it isn't.

I'm absolutely livid and disgusted at Spotify for making me feel that way. Discovery was the one thing keeping me on that wretched platform. I imagine I'll be slowly migrating to a self-hosted solution. I just really wish foss had more private and open personalized discovery features (or any at all for that matter, and not just for music).

[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yt-dlp, ffmpeg, Picard, jellyfin, musicolet

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 5 points 19 hours ago

Seconding Picard. MusicBrainz is the only part of my little ecosystem where I stick my neck out and constantly broadcast all my listening activity. The suggestions are awesome.

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[–] oopsallnaps@piefed.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Bought myself a little digital audio player (basically the new name for mp3 players) and have been enjoying porting rockbox to it / listening to my local library.

There's a still a few cd/record stores in town which is pretty awesome for second hand stuff.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 43 points 1 day ago

I started buying music in 2015 (mostly Bandcamp) and I have no regrets. I have a big library now of drm free music. Some months I spend nothing and still enjoy music, without ads.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 18 points 1 day ago

I cancelled my Spotify last night.

Went through my favourites list and bought a bunch of tracks on bandcamp.

Going back to my old ripped cds and mp3s is a nice feeling tbh.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 41 points 1 day ago

Good for them. Bands don't need ai training on their songs without compensation.

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