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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is/should be a lot of room for compromise.

A mix of "reasonable" tariffs and quotas to start, to make Chinese EVs competitive without destroying domestic manufacturing is a good path. Canada needs investment. Whether foreign auto makers do it, following through on previous commitments, shutting out China can be a reward for them.

Without choosing to provide value cars to Canadians, Canada could offer agriculture for Chinese (solar) energy trade. Pemitting them to boost capacity even more.

Instead of begging the US to buy (and own through investment) our resources, Chinese development would help significantly as well.

Corrupt ideology programmed into Canadians is bad for Canada. We need new friends instead of abusers, and the only reform of an abuser possible comes when they beg for forgiveness when you flirt with new friends.

[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

We don't even need to be "friends" with China, we just need to recognize the situation we're in and work with them pragmatically. Rejecting China in the current economy is like rejecting gravity.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Ten years ago I'm not sure I'd have said this, but now: fuck it. We should just get into bed with China. They seem totally uninterested in wars at all unless you're Taiwan, which we're not. Trade matters. They seem stable. Sure there are some human rights issues but given all the human rights issues fucking everywhere right now, like. I dunno. I'm for it.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 12 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I don't even think China is interested in any wars over Taiwan. I'm fairly certain it will be a peaceful rejoining once the US crumbles, akin to East and West Germany during the fall of the Soviet Union.

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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago (7 children)

If Chinese manufactures can exceed Canadian standards, provide spare parts for a minimum of 10 years from the date of manufacture, provide a minimum of 10 years of software support/updates, AND allow all software to be audited for both safe function and security. Then sure. Bring on the cheap EVs.

(But not even our current domestically produced vehicles meet those requirements)

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's a serious security hole cause the software can be updated through network, the version gets audit and all the follow up update can be good, but the moment it needs to go rogue you just need 1 malicious update to have serious and wide spread harm/attack on a button.

IMO for any vehicles to allow over the network update is beyond stupid. (yes, that includes Tesla.)

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Hey kinda like the F-35

It's fine though when the Americans do it do is.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Carney is still buying those lemons the US Navy rejected. I guess elbows out means buying overpriced junk while cutting all services.

"how do I hold all these" meme but instead of his arms it's just elbows

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There are a few good defcon talks where it has been shown that the engine control and body control can be accessed and modified via the "infotainment" system (the one I saw specifically was Jeeps).

[–] Clearwater@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Once you're inside a car that's on, there really isn't any security*. The OBD2 port that every remotely modern car has is perfectly capable of accessing all the diagnostics and data streams the car has, and can also control/reconfigure the various computers.

IMO that doesn't really matter, since the system isn't powered until the key is in the ignition and the car turned on. You can't do anything with the key off, and if your passenger wanted to sabotage the car, they'd just yank the wheel as you drive down the highway.

That said, yes OTA updates are a travesty. Specifically because cars have so little security, having any access to their computers from the outside is a massive risk... And if there's a potential that the country the manufacturer is in turns hostile, that risk certainly isn't reduced.

* A handful of manufacturers have "added" security to their systems by... (drumroll pls) restricting access to the systems and requiring a subscription for full access. That's fucking evil and doesn't even do anything (at least for a mechanic or tinkerer like me) since you can just google "FCA bypass cable" and skip right past the firewall.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Modern cars expose the engine/body control CAN bus through the fucking headlights. You don't need to be in the car and it doesn't need to be on for you to have the same or more access than the OBDII port.

It doesn't matter what the country of origin is, someone is gonna find a way to break OTA updates, gain access via exposed wireless networks or just pop off a CAN bus controlled light and plug in. How long before someone pushes a malicious update that causes the ABS to disable or degrade braking to near 0%, or just throw the electronic power steering full left whenever the speed exceeds 101km/h?

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 1 points 48 minutes ago* (last edited 46 minutes ago)

But that would be silly, because the easiest way to kill someone without consequence is to get behind the wheel and run them over. People could also be putting bombs in product boxes and poison in medicine. A coherent society doesn't have these problems.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -1 points 16 hours ago

The timing seems suspicious. Crops are sold already, with tariffs, and now it's 11 months with no sales.

Come back in 9 months and we can talk.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Hey, remember when China was operating their own police force in Canada? Maybe we should be doing less business with them.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago

I remember people saying that but I don't recall ever seeing any evidence of it actually happening

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 12 hours ago

You really want an isolationist economy like the USA?

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Send some mounties to Beijing

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