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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

The timing seems suspicious. Crops are sold already, with tariffs, and now it's 11 months with no sales.

Come back in 9 months and we can talk.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, remember when China was operating their own police force in Canada? Maybe we should be doing less business with them.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

Send some mounties to Beijing

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago

There is/should be a lot of room for compromise.

A mix of "reasonable" tariffs and quotas to start, to make Chinese EVs competitive without destroying domestic manufacturing is a good path. Canada needs investment. Whether foreign auto makers do it, following through on previous commitments, shutting out China can be a reward for them.

Without choosing to provide value cars to Canadians, Canada could offer agriculture for Chinese (solar) energy trade. Pemitting them to boost capacity even more.

Instead of begging the US to buy (and own through investment) our resources, Chinese development would help significantly as well.

Corrupt ideology programmed into Canadians is bad for Canada. We need new friends instead of abusers, and the only reform of an abuser possible comes when they beg for forgiveness when you flirt with new friends.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 14 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

If Chinese manufactures can exceed Canadian standards, provide spare parts for a minimum of 10 years from the date of manufacture, provide a minimum of 10 years of software support/updates, AND allow all software to be audited for both safe function and security. Then sure. Bring on the cheap EVs.

(But not even our current domestically produced vehicles meet those requirements)

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's a serious security hole cause the software can be updated through network, the version gets audit and all the follow up update can be good, but the moment it needs to go rogue you just need 1 malicious update to have serious and wide spread harm/attack on a button.

IMO for any vehicles to allow over the network update is beyond stupid. (yes, that includes Tesla.)

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There are a few good defcon talks where it has been shown that the engine control and body control can be accessed and modified via the "infotainment" system (the one I saw specifically was Jeeps).

[–] Clearwater@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Once you're inside a car that's on, there really isn't any security*. The OBD2 port that every remotely modern car has is perfectly capable of accessing all the diagnostics and data streams the car has, and can also control/reconfigure the various computers.

IMO that doesn't really matter, since the system isn't powered until the key is in the ignition and the car turned on. You can't do anything with the key off, and if your passenger wanted to sabotage the car, they'd just yank the wheel as you drive down the highway.

That said, yes OTA updates are a travesty. Specifically because cars have so little security, having any access to their computers from the outside is a massive risk... And if there's a potential that the country the manufacturer is in turns hostile, that risk certainly isn't reduced.

* A handful of manufacturers have "added" security to their systems by... (drumroll pls) restricting access to the systems and requiring a subscription for full access. That's fucking evil and doesn't even do anything (at least for a mechanic or tinkerer like me) since you can just google "FCA bypass cable" and skip right past the firewall.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The issues is they are artificially cheap, which undercuts Canada's auto component industry from serving as an EV hub.
The Chinese government paid for production and have lots (as in sites) of cars that are unsold. They offered huge discounts to unload last years production. Since there were laws about discounting new cars, they moved them (paperwork wise) through shell type arrangements to make them appear as used cars (with less than 5km on the odometer etc).

That stuff undercuts any means of US and Canada EVs being viable.

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Question, would you say that Teslas are artificially cheap?

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Tesla has government assistance programs in US and Canada, but $35000 Tesla does not compete with $14000 Chinese car

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 9 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Ten years ago I'm not sure I'd have said this, but now: fuck it. We should just get into bed with China. They seem totally uninterested in wars at all unless you're Taiwan, which we're not. Trade matters. They seem stable. Sure there are some human rights issues but given all the human rights issues fucking everywhere right now, like. I dunno. I'm for it.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I don't even think China is interested in any wars over Taiwan. I'm fairly certain it will be a peaceful rejoining once the US crumbles, akin to East and West Germany during the fall of the Soviet Union.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Sure there are some human rights issues

They only kill people I don't care about in mines and factories, so it's cool!

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

My point is more that there are few countries I can think of that are viable trading partners that aren't committing appalling human rights abuses Joe.

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca -2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

This is exactly the mentality that caused WW1 and WW2 AND the upcoming (or ongoing) WW3. You probably did not aware how many IP theft happened to Canadian local firms and institutions.

[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago

IP theft

lol. lmao.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

Not only am I not aware, I also don't care.

[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's not like Chinese EV's are bad, but they have started a war to overtake EV industry.
Their government is founding EV companies, to advance and take the lead, putting at risk companies like Ford, BMW and so on.

I sawthis video, and I saw how they have managed to change battery instead of charging the car, and I was impressed of what they can actually do.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

I don’t think Ford and BMW will be in that much danger, and given how long they’ve had to address this inevitability isn’t that just them not investing in their future and by capitalist standards their deserved failure if it were to happen?

Hell, large manufacturers often fought EV companies so they wouldn’t have to compete. It was cheaper to hurt the competition than it was to innovate so they did that instead. Maybe if they didn’t spend so much time and money attacking renewable resources they’d have more governments in place who actually supported giving them support for developing this technology.

“Woe is me, I on-purpose created an environment where all my most loyal customers have an irrational and deep-seated hatred for the thing I now want to do!” Like, cry me a river.

Besides, we don’t need more cars. We need more infrastructure that makes them unnecessary and we need to bring back the mid-density, walkable small town. We need to bring back the rail and bus systems we already had but tore up and/or knee-capped.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 4 points 22 hours ago

Seems to me that the happy medium here might be a lower tariff. 100% was never justified, but 10% or 25% might be. Just enough to allow European and Japanese manufacturers (I don't give a damn about the US at this point) to price their vehicles somewhat competitively even though they don't have the advantage of ignoring labour rights.

[–] rdca@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Canada needs to diversify the trade to rely less on the USA. The current gov has a huge problem on their hands but also opportunities to do something new!

When it comes to the EV tariffs I see opportunities for Canada, we have factories, some of the raw materials, Human Resources, experienceand logistics in place for the automotive industry! The Ev industry needs more than the cars there is a new ecosystem that can be worked with Chinese companies by doing knowledge transfer, manufacture autos + parts by bringing the suppliers as well. EVs need batteries and the charging network, we can bring these items to the trade talks.

China al has the largest high-speed rail network and why not expand the deals to help Canada build our high-speed rail Network?

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I'd buy a Chinese EV. I need an inexpensive vehicle to go from A to B in a city. There doesn't seem to be an inexpensive option anymore in North America.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Mext municipal election you should make sure to vote for the person who’s championing stronger public transit options. I still have my car from loving in Ottawa but I barely touch it these days(usually for going to Ottawa, because I can easily get to Gare Centrale with the metro here but once I get to Ottawa it starts getting rough fast if I try to leave the LRT(and before the LRT it was a complete impossibility). Not to mention that it costs more because of the mess we made of privatising CN and shooting VIA rail in both its feet.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It takes me 35min to drive to work, by public transit it would take me 2h. Ontario is fucked.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Yup. It’s not why I left but it is why I’m never moving back.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 5 points 22 hours ago

"inexpensive vehicle" usually means a pre-owned vehicle and there are plenty of affordable pre-owned EVs and hybrids on the market. If you're the kind who buys new cars, then Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are the least expensive. If you compare with new ICE cars, don't forget to account for gasoline cost.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

Sounds like an easy decision; we sell our rapeseed and get non-American cars.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Australians have access to Chinese EVs, why can't we?

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