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[–] Octavio@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The funny thing about people who say it’s not a bubble because AI has value is that the asset category having value doesn’t prevent valuation bubbles from forming.

Houses have value: you can live in them. Yet there was a housing bubble.

The internet has value: you can watch cat videos on it. Yet there was a dot com bubble.

Tulip bulbs have value: you can grow pretty flowers with them. Yet there was a tulip bulb bubble.

In my experience, whenever you start reading news stories asking if something is a bubble and quoting investment bankers say, “no, it’s not a bubble,” well, usually it’s a bubble.

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

The entire US economy has been running off of an asset megabubble that demands global dollar recycling via Wall St. and property for decades now. This is much worse than 2008 as there is no cushioning. We will see what 20+ of doubling down looks like in the end.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Houses have value: you can live in them. Yet there was a housing bubble.

Was?

[–] Octavio@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

There is again, but there was, too.

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is definitely a bubble. But also what Nvidia is doing is smart. They have boatloads of cash. They are investing that cash in the companies that are using their products to create money making services. If one of them can create a killer app or viable service this will create demand for their products and they will have an ownership stake in it. Is this guaranteed or even likely? Probably not. We have reached the point where we were in 1996 where the chairman of the fed came out and said we are in a period of "irrational exuberance." That bubble took four more years to pop. This one may end quicker, but it is impossible to tell when it will end or what will come out of it from where we sit today.

[–] clucose@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Why should it pop sooner? US money can’t go anywhere else with the same profit margins. It‘ll run out if something more profitable comes around. Maybe a war or so.

[–] ezterry@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

I see "gold rush" the company selling shovels is making out like a bandit, everyone else is make a profit on the previous gen but requires a 10x cost increase for the next gen. And thus 10x more shovels.. As soon as 10x more shovels stops giving 10x+ improvements this is the wrong investment.

Hints are we already reached this point.

Some AI companies will pivot and improve in other ways with more linear costs/results.. The ones hoping the line continues to the moon.. I think they overshot.. I just don't know when it will fall back..

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Hold up everyone. It's not a bubble.

"So it is true that valuations are high but, in our view, generally not at levels that are as high as are typically seen at the height of a financial bubble," said Goldman Sachs strategist Peter Oppenheimer.

He's from GOLDMAN SACHS LOLOLOLO I THINK THEY WOULD RECOGNIZE A BUBBLE LOL ah fuck me our economy is gonna splode

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Goldman Sachs also though NINA mortgages were a good idea, and they also thought it was a good idea to bundle bad mortgages in with good mortgages, and find a rater to mark them AAA investments.

And then we saw how that worked out.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

yeah, how could this go wrong?

at least after the crash those houses could be lived in. these datacenters are made for one purpose, AI, and really would have to be completely gutted and refurbed for general purposes.... fun.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

If not for the banks investing hevily into it, i'd not be all that worried.

Every company in that list could shrink by half and we'd all be at worst back to covid times. Sure unemployment would suck, but do we REALLY need microsoft and NVidia to be as huge as they are?

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago (3 children)

NVIDIA really out here selling shovels in the gold Rush

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nvidia are very smart in that regard, ethics aside. Very early on they decided that selling cards to gamers will not give them the infinite growth everyone so desperately desire, so they started looking for what does, and they were consistent at it ever since. Every tech bubble of the recent history is powered by Nvidia cards. How much they contributed to the hype (and damage) is not entirely clear, but that's not zero for sure

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They lucked into it. They made their cards for gamers, and various groups, AI researchers, bitcoin miners and others, discovered that they those gamer GPUs were really good for other tasks too. I think it took a while before Nvidia started making specialised cards for those purposes.

I can't really blame them for serving that market that they just lucked into. I can and will blame them for their terrible Linux support.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Oh believe me, it wasn't just luck. They have special labs full of people who's whole job is to find another unexplored niches that can buy their cards. And they only make specific single purpose cards only when the market is mature enough to justify the spending, which is also smart.

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[–] llama@lemmy.zip 55 points 2 days ago (22 children)

If Lemmy is supposed to be the place where the most tech savvy people in the interest congregate, and everyone in the comments is unsatisfied with AI then we really do have a problem. These companies have all reached a point where they no longer listen to their most informed customer base but instead take 100% of direction from investors who don't even know what they want except a line going up.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lemmy is not the most tech savvy people on the internet nor the customer base for AI. Where did you get either of those ideas?

[–] llama@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because you have to be tech savvy to understand what the fediverse is or how ActivityPub works so it sets the filter for a userbase that evangelizes emerging technology.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah. Signing up for a social service doesn’t make you the most technical person in the world.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

All ai companies should direct all resources to medical research. I mean we would have to do without ai slop summaries for search engines and ai slop images. Well on second thought I guess slop is worth the human cost so let's keep it as it is. I bet I get my wish.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The housing bubble encompassed a metric ton of banks and companies that bought and sold shares of subprime mortgages in the billions of dollars and when everyone stopped paying and started defaulting, that caused a entire economic collapse.

Now unless someone can point me to an analysis where we have some tangible proof that banks and tons of companies are invested, not just using, AI, it seems to me the fall out would be limited to tech companies, which yeah would involve some job losses but nothing on the scale of the housing or dotcom bubble.

Now if you're referring to rich jackasses who are all in and banking on AI taking our jerbs? Sure that bubble will hurt them but they're not driving forces in the economy, just politics, which I guess could cause a economic crash if they get your idiot politicians more scared of them than the people with France on their minds.

[–] relianceschool@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

True, but consider that a huge amount of retail investors' portfolios are tied to the S&P 500/NASDAQ. Think retirement savings, IRAs, 401(k)s, pensions, etc. Then consider that the entire market is effectively propped up by AI right now (see: The entire stock market is being carried by these four AI stocks). If the market gets a 60% correction, it's going to be the middle class losing their shirts all over again.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People need housing, no one needs this AI crap. Even in boring engineering jobs using tools that solved problems decades ago, we are getting AI shoveled in left and right in places no one needs or wants it. And calling old features "AI" is also another problem.

And now these stupid "barking bears attacking fat sleeping people" videos are everywhere, and people seem to think they're real.

We should focus on natural intelligence first, that is to say each other, and education...

Oh and the headline should read "Every day", "everyday" is an adjective, like an everyday occurence.

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