You can just rip it off Spotify.
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I pay for the discovery features. Then I get my music locally.
Isn't the discovery free? Lol
You kinda need to listen to stuff to prime the discovery algorithms lol
Not for the real discovery (👁 ͜ʖ👁)
Go to concerts, buy physical.
Have you seen concert ticket prices lately?? Even small to mid size bands playing at 1500 person venues are $60+ for GA. It's nuts.
Depends on where you are and depends on organisation. If it's a small venue and a DIY type of thing, chances are that the merch money and at least part of the entrance is going directly to the band (as opposed to the 1% kickback they'd get for streaming).
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I am very happy with Navidrome for over a year now. It also reminds me how I listened to whole albums when I was a teenager, what I now started doing again.
Navidrome is awesome and super easy to set up if you use a PikaPod.
I mean… you own or have nothing when your Wow sub ends also.
Level 20 baby!
Okay, but I can access my full library from anywhere at full quality from multiple devices, I have several 5,000 plus song playlists with little to no overlap between a few of them and I have had CDs lost or stolen and had drive failures delete digital libraries. But sure.
I don't do it personally, but from what I understand, it's really pretty easy to set up your own self-hosted music server to stream from.
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I still download my music. Two pros: I have control over where, when and how I listen to it. And I only download music I actually want to listen to.
One con: Finding new music is harder (I imagine).
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A couple of years ago, I had a Napster subscription (the reborn, legal variant of it). At first, I was happy to have unlimited access to music, then after 2 years I realised that I was paying 120 EUR a year for music I'll never own, so I cancelled the subscription and put my yearly budget for music to exactly that amount. It yields more than enough given I buy used CDs, and then digitalise them. That way I own the physical media as backup AND am able to transfer the digital, PCM-quality tracks unfettered across my devices AND with no need for DRM or shitty proprietary applications.
You gotta put in the effort, which most people are too lazy to do
Is it laziness or a lack of motivation?
I’ve been a Spotify member for 13 years and it gives me exactly what I want. Owning music is good and all, but ripping the CDs and setting it up so my family and I have access to it where ever we go is going to cost me way more than the subscription does a month, in both time and money.
I run Navidrome off a free small form factor PC recycled from work. My whole family accesses it via whatever app they like that supports Subsonic API (there's dozens), and for security it's only accessible via Tailscale, so they need Tailscale installed and connected.
Initial cost: $0. Plus cost of the apps, which is like $5 each user. Tailscale is free for up to 100 devices. Time to set up: 1 day. Ongoing cost: the very little electricity an energy-efficient SFF PC uses - way overestimating would be $2/month. Plus whatever music we buy on Bandcamp, physical etc that we own forever.
So it's not way more expensive in my experience, and at the end of the day I give artists I enjoy much more money than Spotify streams ever would, and I'm not supporting a piece of shit CEO pouring a billion dollars into military spending.
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Back in the days we were paying 10$ for an album. Then Napster came.
Now we pay 100$ for a concert.
Try Metrolist maybe.
$10 an album? Before Napster there was literally a class action lawsuit against the music industry because albums were like $22
I bought my first album in 1977 for $7, which is $37 in today's money. It's pretty insane to think that the entire music industry back then was about getting people to pay $37 for a piece of plastic. Avocado toast eat your heart out.
I remember 1977. I started going to concerts and I saw the Led Zeppelin!
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This would be right if not for the fact that Spotify will regularly introduce you to music that you might like and otherwise might not have heard of. That can be worth paying for.
Except that as part of its enshittification Spotify has intentionally changed its algo to push people into more and more homogenous "beige", nothing music. It has become so prolific that Spotifycore has become a term to describe what happens when you let Spotify autoplay.
With the rise of AI, Spotify is now producing and recommending beige music that is produced on an industrial scale, at the expense of actual artists.
Mood Machine go brrr
Mood Machine by Liz Pelly review – a savage indictment of Spotify | Music books | The Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/mar/05/mood-machine-by-liz-pelly-review-a-savage-indictment-of-spotify
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We had scrobbling services before Spotify and we will have them afterwards.
See Last.fm and ListenBrainz.org
ListenBrainz.org
I signed up for this about 2 months ago because someone on here recommended it. It's absolutely garbage unless you only listen to radio music. I listen to industrial hardcore and uptempo about 90% of the time, the remaining 10% are a pretty even split between hard rock and radio music. It only recommends me radio music, not a single hardcore track.
I have subscriptions for Spotify, Tidal and SoundCloud, and all 3 of them have vastly better recommendations of you listen to less popular genres
industrial hardcore
What are some of your favourites in this category? Spotify hasn't been giving me any good recommendations on this front either.
It's true, some genres are better represented than others. The user base on listenbrainz is relatively small. I hope you do keep scrobbling your listens to listenbrainz because it can still help improve the recommendations for other users after you who listen to somethings you do but know a lot less than you in the genres you listen.
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I just noticed yesterday, that existing subscribers can stay at the old price. There's an option to switch to a "basic" plan, afaik you will lose access to audiobooks, but they only give 12h of those per month, for the 2 euros extra.
Thanks, just switched.