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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Some local plants might be edible and even delicious, but they are either way to costly to grow or harvest, or they are nigh impossible to preserve. Or they simply are edible, but not sustaining, like sucking nectar from stinging nettle blossoms.

Some are acquired tastes like e.g. turnip tops. You could probably harvest tons of them, but there is no real market for it.

Or take edible flowers, you basically can't preserve them, and all you can do is put them on a dish for decoration.

Pearl Onions are a borderline case, for example. Between harvest and sitting in the pickling juice they only have a few hours (3-6, IIRC), or they are a case for the compost heap.

[–] brianary@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Transportability is a huge consideration. Pawpaws can't be transported nationally, for example. The plants we eat have been bred for maximum marketability, which includes getting the produce from where it grows to where people need it.

[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Exactly. Instead of complaining people can just grow them themselves. It's not like commercial growers have a monopoly on growing food.

Otherwise this is a typical lemmy complaint. Someone who isn't me didn't do a thing I like. That makes someone else besides me bad. If there are things you want to exist in this world then you have to do things. This realization is real adulthood.

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I planted my garden this year and then had that realization, so I divorced my husband and lost my garden. I went back and grabbed all the veggies from it 3 months later: some small potatoes, some peppers, small onions, and I grabbed my baby strawberry plants that survived the summer without regular watering. My ex has admitted he let my garden die. Be the change you want to see in the world

[–] harcesz@szmer.info 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

For Polish speakers theres this book by prof. Łuczaj: https://lukaszluczaj.pl/dzikie-rosliny-jadalne-polski-pelny-tekst/ - every plant that grows in our region and can be eaten. In some more edgy cases backed by his own experimentation on himself.

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does he also document the fuckable plants? I'm asking for a friend

[–] harcesz@szmer.info 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh boy are you in for a surprise....

There's his "Sex in the great (grand?) forrest". Its about best plants to fuck on (or under). Mostly. As side notes it does point out some local plants in particularly interesting shapes, or some one might rub themself against... This guy is commited. And also an actual true professor on an actual university.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 24 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Tbf, many are kinda disgusting to modern palettes. Lamb's quarter sucks compared to stuff like spinach, kale, or collards. Pokeweed needs extensive preparation to make it safe. Wood sorrel, horseherb, and prickly pear grows where I currently live, but I haven't tried them yet. My dog likes horseherb despite the little spines for some reason. My grandmother used to fry dandelions and plaintain which was pretty good.

[–] phoenixpinkmyn@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Wood sorrel is an interesting case. In the US, we don't commonly eat our native wood sorrel, i.e. the thing that looks like clover. But we do eat starfruit. Starfruit is also a type of wood sorrel, just one that has a much larger, sweeter fruit, that's been selectively bred for agriculture. But if you look at the fruits of our native plant, they do look like tiny starfruit! link

They're still tasty. They're very tart, but with no sweetness. They could be good to top a salad. But you'd have to pick hundreds of them to get as much food as you get from one starfruit, and it wouldn't be as tasty as a fruit. Like eating a lemon instead of an orange.

That said, I still love them! The leaves and stems also have a good taste. They're everywhere and have a lovely burst of flavor. Just be careful if you have kidney stones or kidney disease, any kind of wood sorrel - including starfruit - has oxalic acid which can be tough on kidneys.

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[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For another example of a plant that just didn't make it into modern society at scale, there are skirrets. Carrots, parsnips, and skirrets were related umbellifer plants with edible, nutritious roots, cultivated over the centuries as food. Carrots and parsnips were responsive to breeding for root size, and could produce comparatively huge roots, but skirrets never really did. Once the potato was brought over from the new world, the skirret fell out of favor.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

I always find it interesting when comparing cuisine between cultures of stuff that exists in different places but only eaten in one (or a few) of them. Like ok, I get that if you're not used to much seafood in general you maybe will eat some grilled salmon but you're not gonna be eating the guts out of crabs or lobsters or whatever. But then there's something like burdock root, which grows in the US, doesn't have a strong taste, and is just like various other root vegetables we do eat (although not as sweet as something like a carrot). But the US doesn't eat it while east Asia does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctium#Food_and_drink

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[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 120 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

This is dumb. Most plants resist cultivation. Bragging about being able to afford them does not make you Superior.

Also yields are important

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 86 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Resist cultivation or have some other undesirable properties. Often low yield, short harvest, low yield, difficult picking or transporting.

A favorite example of mine: oak’s acorns are sometimes edible. Roughly one in ten oaks produce edible acorns. They are indistinguishable from inedible ones unless you try them out - but inedible ones are fairly poisonous. The gene for edible acorns is recessive and it takes at least a decade before you know if a newly planted oak produces edible acorns or not, with a 10% probability of the former. It is just practically impossible to select for this criterion. Thus, we don’t eat acorns.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 76 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Often low yield, short harvest, low yield, difficult picking or transporting.

And let's not forget, low yield.

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[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I mean, I think that goes back to the whole “industrial farming” point. If it can’t be farmed, it won’t be commercially available. But there are plenty of plants that you could scavenge, if you knew what to look for.

One of my personal favorite niche plants is osha root. It’s one of the best cures for a sore throat. It tastes a little bit like dirty root beer, and it’ll numb your entire throat when you chew on it. Native Americans kept some around for medicine. You can even grind it up and smear it on shallow scrapes to numb the area. You can find it in teas like Throat Coat, which is a sort of secret weapon for performers and public speakers whenever they have a sore throat.

But it can’t be commercially farmed, because it exclusively grows in the Rocky Mountains where a specific type of fungus helps it thrive. It isn’t commercially viable to market to the masses like throat lozenges, (even though it is just as effective in reducing sore throats) because it has to be scavenged.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So... cool story

Ann Reardon from How to Cook That, took Coke, and tested it for HFCS, it of course indicated it was in there, then she took a Mexican Coke, and it also indicated, but it claims not to use it.

Apparently, the acid in the Coke breaks down the sucrose in the cane sugar, making the product very close to the HFCS variant. She followed up with a blind taste test (very limited size, just her family) and found they were very close in flavor.

It would appear that we do to some decent extent enjoy HFCS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajVWRx8vsjE

[–] wieson@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She's either from Australia or Aotearoa. I don't expect their coca cola to be the same recipe as in the US.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 23 hours ago

could be,

she was basing it on the ingredients list and she had the mexican coke shipped.

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I live in a subtropical climate and it seems like most typical garden plants are not really good for our weather, it's too hot for some and too wet for many who like hot.

Our winners are:

Trees- starfruit, longan, mango, papaya all do well.

Garden -

summer, wet season - Okra mostly. Hong Tsoi, Eggplant (little ones) Watermelon (little ones) sweet potato (Stokes Purple), tomatoes, basil.

winter, dry season- Collards, peppers, broccoli (Green Magic) cauliflower, arugula, fennel, lettuce, radishes. Cilantro, or dill. A lot of the typical northern summer plants can be started in December or January to grow in the "spring" that runs from January to April ish.

In between - peppers, fennel, mustard greens, eggplant, pumpkin type squash (but bugs always eat it) tomatoes.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Every September, I make a year's supply of beautyberry jelly.

I do something that I don't recommend people do: I can it. I'm like 5 years in, and I haven't had a problem yet. There's a series of pages in my Ball canning recipe book that the beautyberry jelly recipe I use conforms pretty close to, but it isn't USDA approved or otherwise published by some authority as safe for canning, I'm going to recommend you avoid this.

Beautyberries, if you're not familiar with them, are a bush/shrub native to the American southeast. The plant looks like a bunch of stems with leaves that grow along them, along with clusters of tiny white flowers in the spring at the base of each pair of leaves, that turn into vivid purple berries in the fall. The leaves can be used as a mosquito repellent if rubbed on clothing, and the berries are edible...although they're bitter and astringent. Boiling them in water to make an extract and making jelly from that extract results in a bright red jelly that tastes like strawberry and tea.

It's something of a pain to harvest, so it pretty much isn't commercially done.

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[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 53 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I harvest stinging nettle to use as a spinach replacement

I'm going to try to make maple syrup from big leaf maples this year too!

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Eat your weeds... This is Common Purslane:

It grows mostly everywhere and is a huge source of Omega 3 fatty acids. It's much better cooked in my opinion. Also it's best to find them in a field and not by the roadside where it may be leeching up god knows what hydrocarbon adjacent type of poisons.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I hate to bring race and racism into this, but one reason why I laugh at many racists, especially European racists, is how they claim they love their own national culture but do jack shit to have ANYTHING to do with its pre-colonial cuisine. Take British cuisine for example. While obviously people in medieval England (even the richest people at the time) had far fewer options than most people in the UK today, but they still used many herbs and plants for seasonings that are only being rediscovered by reenactors in recent years, and they are actually quite good.

More than just culture, the dangers of over-reliance on a handful of crops and cultivars is also dangerous. The Irish potato famine happened in the 1840s due to Irish potato crops just being a few kinds instead of the hundreds of varieties that you would find in South America. The result of this is that a blight that would have had a negligible effect in South America absolutely devastated Ireland. More recently in the 20th century, we have a near complete destruction of the Gros Michel banana in the 1950s. When you go to your typical supermarket, the bananas you see there are more than likely going to be Cavendish Bananas, which were considered inferior to Gros Michel in the past, but due to disease rendering Gros Michel bananas commercially nonviable they were chosen because they were all we got...

and the same shit could happen at any time to the Cavendish banana, too.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I have to correct you on your terrible misunderstanding of the Irish Genocide. Your misinformation is almost certainly not your fault, as I was uncritically taught the same utter bullshit in my primary school curriculum in the USA. The Irish genocide that you refer to as using the colonizer’s term “Irish Potato Famine” had absolutely fuckall to do with potatoes or the Irish. The absent landlords in England extracted mandatory “tax” in the form of literally every food crop that the Irish ~~slaves~~tenants grew. There was ALWAYS, literally at ALL POINTS IN TIME, enough food to feed the people of Ireland. The food was physically stolen with violence and exported to cover “rent” to English “landlords” that never set foot in the country. Potatoes were grown in an act of extreme desperation as they were not a crop that was considered ~~theft~~tax-worthy and therefore the Irish did their best to feed themselves.

Think critically about it for like one second. Do you really believe that it was just a bunch of silly dumb Irishmen that only ever thought to grow literally a single crop for all of their food? In such a lush and nutrient rich area that is still famous for like a dozen high quality staples in different food groups? Or did you just get duped by racists that still spread their bullshit successfully?

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[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Ok I'll bite (literally), how does a person break into this niche, since it is definitely not a market? My engineering degrees did not heavily cover edible plants in my area? I can go find morel mushrooms and identify sassafras but that about covers it.

If I could buy like a ring of +4 to local botany that would be best I think.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

alot of tropical ones tend to be poisonous too, because so much diversity of insects, trying to eat them develop toxins in thier parts. also some plants have to super poisonous because insects evolve to build resistance them, so plants have to respond by becoming more toxic. thats why poisonous plants are kinda invasive.

yes english ivy is poisonous(berries) to non-avians.

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (26 children)

I mean there probably are lots of reasons why we farm only certain plants.

For example dewberries have short harvest window and as far as i know they need to be hand picked.

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[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Paw paws grow naturally in the area I live and are a delicious fruit. Due to cultivation and transport issues you will never find them in stores.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asimina_triloba

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