You should know that this guy is a Palestinian genocide denier.
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Do you mean Ethan Klein? Because yeah, he is a genocide-denying piece of shit. That doesn't make shock collars okay to use.
The rape allegations against Neil Gaiman were first publicized by a TERF; he doesn't get a pass either.
No, I mean the guy in this video.
Okay. Them being pieces of shit doesn't make it okay to use a shock collar on your dog.
It also doesn't make the conclusion of abuse any less spurious.
If you want to debunk the actual claim rather than the person it comes from, we're all ears.
Which claim? That his dog wears a shock collar? That he used it during a stream? Or that (granting the two previous claims) this stands as evidence that he abuses his dog?
I'm far more interested in why some people are so eager to litigate a political commentator's relationship with his dog when the bulk of his commentary is pointed at western-backed genocidal apartheid states.
the bulk of his commentary is pointed at western-backed genocidal apartheid states.
He hates Israel because they're western-backed, not because they're a genocidal apartheid state. C.f. his views on Ukraine and Russia.
I’m far more interested in why some people are so eager to litigate a political commentator’s relationship with his dog
People can have room for more than one opinion at the same time.
People can have room for more than one opinion at the same time
Apparently not.
Are you... going to elaborate on that, or...?
Because most people conscously or subconcously expect better treatment towards pets than other fellow humans. It's like children. Unless you're an Israeli or conservative looking at a brown child, nobody stans child abusers.
"Why are people eager to litigate this incident?"
nobody stans [...] abusers
Yes, that's the motivation i'm pointing to.
Well, the people stanning Hasan are likely just practicing basic, dumb tribalism. Tribalism is more powerful than ethics, otherwise so many wars and conflicts from history (and the modern day) wouldn't have ever happened.
They were doing that, super vigorously, up until about a day ago when it became pretty clear that Hasan was lying. Now, all of a sudden, the identity of the messenger is the only thing worth talking about (and also why you keep talking about this, bro, I think you're taking streamer drama WAY too seriously...)
I haven't spent a single comment debunking anything in this story.
You're welcome to, if you would like to. I would actually really like for someone from Hasan's followers to try to explain why this post is not factually solid.
I wasn't specifically talking about you. I just noticed that the initial narrative was dew claws and airtags, and then it was vibrating collars, and now it's shifted over to 100% attacking the messenger and they're not at all interested in talking about how it's obviously an airtag collar and anyone who can't see that is stupid.
I would actually really like for someone from Hasan’s followers to try to explain why this post is not factually solid
To what end? Honestly - setting aside the forensic analysis you've compiled for a second - what's the point of spending so much time on litigating the details of this interaction?
Anyone who watches this person regularly aren't going to judge his character on the one clip - that's probably why you feel so frustrated by their ambivalence. Let alone the spurious conclusions you're so eager to draw from it.
To what end?
Okay, so I'm going to take that as you're not going to try to argue with the idea that there's strong evidence that he shocked his dog and then lied about it.
I have no idea why that would not be pertinent information for you to know about this man you seem to take seriously, but it's up to you of course.
Anyone who watches this person regularly aren’t going to judge his character on the one clip
If I hang out with a friend every day, and then one day I see him punch a baby, then yes I'm going to judge his character based on that one interaction.
That's separate from the issue that literally every clip I have seen of this guy makes him look like a piece of shit in some way or another. Like I say, I actually look more at the totality of what I've seen him do while interacting with Kaya in these clips and the overall emotional interplay at work, than I do indict him specifically for shocking her and lying about it. But yes, shocking her and then lying about it (which you suddenly don't want to litigate... wonder why...) is very significant to me.
I fully acknowledged that it's probably a one-sided picture created by his enemies, and invited you to send me a clip showing the other side of his character where he's providing something insightful or valuable that I should be able to take on and make some use of, and you keep not doing it. So yeah that also makes me feel pretty settled in the conclusion about him.
Out of the loop and don’t really care about strangers’ internet drama, just thought I would point out that used correctly / as intended, E-Collars are not shock collars.
Dogs have different levels of focus / fixation. Physical stimuli can be necessary to break through fixation when dogs are unresponsive to verbal commands.
As an escalation from the vibration function, the intention of the electric stimulation is that it triggers a muscle spasm.
The Educator e-collars can be configured for 100 levels of stimulation and the manual outlines a very clear calibration process to ensure you’re not actually shocking your dog.
I dont think anyone invested in this actually cares about the specifics of training collars, they're just excited to have a reason to be angry with this person.
Fucking asshole abusing animals. Absolutely disgusting.