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Good video, very much worth watching despite the length. New UI will look something like this:
with an option for a more classic look.
Looks like an enourmous UX improvement too, and a rewrite to QT and eliminating a lot of technical debt will make development faster.
Full UI overhaul?! I can't believe they had the audacity to do this!
i mean they were using the rather old wxwidgets
I'm not criticising. I just wanted to play with the word audacity
Tenacity has replaced this years ago. Fuck around, find out!
they backtracked on the privacy policy and said they had really overzealous lawyers that they somehow mistrusted lawyers doing so "out of an abundance of caution" so i'm still giving them one final chance here since that issue was resolved rather quickly (within two weeks, which is why i'm not absolving them and giving them a chance, but it's been uneventful since 2021 so i think that strike's gonna expire in a year)
and i don't think the telemetry was every an issue since it was always going to be opt-in
tenacity does not have the rally useful beats and measures feature for some reason
if the concern is just about telemetry, I seriously wonder why Tenacity isn’t just a soft fork of Audacity, like VSCodium is to VS code, or Librewolf to Firefox.
that way you get the best of both worlds, the amazing new features in Audacity, without the worry of corporate control
Because then you're just describing Audacity. The concerning feature has to be intentionally activated by the user. And if you download and build it yourself then that part of the code isn't even accessible. You have to modify the code to activate it before you build it. I'm actually glad with the way they handled it. They listen to the user base and if you follow tantacrul he regularly consults changes with the users.
telemetry and a reverted privacy policy change that lost some goodwill, but i agree
And what exactly does Tenacity bring to the table other than a name replace across the code-base?
The non-destructive editing and realtime effects alone are a huge jump in capability between the current and old versions of Audacity, and that's before we even discuss UI improvements
From what I could tell when I looked into it after a comment someone left on !nebula@lemmy.world, some people were very upset at the privacy implications of Audacity adding an update detection mechanism (which can be turned off, and which is not included at all in the default build if you build it yourself).
Are people are actually upset about an auto update feature? A feature that has been pretty standard in programs for a very long time?
I understood some of the upset when they added telemetry, but auto-update?
Not even auto-update. Just auto detect updates. Then you go and download it yourself manually.
Auto-update-detection meant that the software was calling out to a remote server, so they updated the TOS to reflect that, and people got upset.
afaik most distros and flathub package it without that for obvious reasons
(for package management, not weird concerns like “they’re adding an entire http library to audacity for this so they must be in the process of using it for something else”)
Now when will Gimp get the same treatment... I know some people like it but I just can't. I'd rather use Affinity Photo via ~~proton~~ a custom wine version (ElementalWarriorWine)
I usually go with Krita. Not because of the UI, i just learnt to use it first and like it. Or Inkscape for vector graphics.
Gimp is a misbegotten, irredeemable piece of UI trash. The fact that it's been around this long and gets egregiously worse with each iteration is baffling to me.
It's looking freaking gorgeous. Tentacrul is the bomb. His work on MuseScore is arguably the best UX/UI in the FOSS world. It even beats most if not all of the proprietary alternatives in the same category.
He also did a great tribute video to Tim Smith / Cardiacs. Was already in my good books, went beyond with that one.
Watched last weekend. Not a huge fan of the rebrand, but the changes that actually count look great.
Yeah, the branding is definitely 'meh' at best, but even worse, in my opinion, is the tight integration with the whole Muse ecosystem and MuseHub thing (and the default download on the website being the MuseHub-based installer too) and built-in cloud storage crap. It just feels wrong to have an open source application integrated so tightly into all their proprietary services all the way through. Just installed the latest version 3.7.5, and I was surprised at how much nagging there was, on both the website and in the application itself.
But other than the whole Muse stuff, Audacity 4.0 looks really awesome in terms of UI and UX. And at least there is a non-MuseHub installer and you can choose not to use their other stuff, and say no to the telemetry...
Frankly, since it's still open source, I'm ok with it since it also means developpement is much faster, and you can avoid it. At least for me when I installed it on linux through the app store, I didn't notice any of your complaints.
As someone with no attachement to the previous branding I quite like the new branding though, fits the new vibe of the app quite well.
i've never had noticeable lag in audacity besides a niche crash that got fixed. though the cloud storage thing never ever worked for me. it's nice though and you still save locally instead of to cloud by default. plusi think the musehub thing is kinda explainable with the proprietary effects marketplace they added to musehub, and it's not like audacity plugins were always foss anyways
i've never had noticeable lag
I think you misread 'nagging' as 'lagging' in my comment
That logo is fucking terrible. Cult minimalism produced a red sperm and a disconnected semicircle. It reads as nothing.
The 'classic look' in dark mode still puts 90% of the interface in light mode.
No other complaints.
In the video, Tantacrul shows how it matches with the aesthetic of the rest of Muse's icons...but it kind of doesn't.
He (correctly) insisted on keeping the headphone iconography, but the rest of Muse's icons are letters. UltimateGuitar's imp ears plus arrow makes a G one, then the others are abstract geometric T for Tonebridge, a weird S for MuseScore, a really bad circle/diagonal line for an A for audio.com and two verticle lines and a circle for an H for MuseHub, whatever the hell that is. And then Audacity's headphones. Going for stylistic resemblance...for the logos of websites, phone apps and desktop apps that probably won't be seen together. Plus in a lot of places MuseScore's Mu with fermata mark is still in use.
Honestly, the comparison with the rest of those icons was the only part I respected. It's a suite of cult minimalist bullshit. Which still doesn't explain how nobody went, "that's a sperm."
Or at least, "why isn't it blue or yellow?"
Holy shit yes. Also while we’re at it please guys add an option to put the timeline in just seconds instead of minutes:seconds
He made a comment in the video that people have been running versions of audacity that have not been updated in 10 years. I went and had a look at the version I had installed. Yep.
I actually assumed it did have an auto update feature and they're just wasn't any updates.
OMG! I read that as Full AI Overhaul.
They are adding “AI” features in a collaboration with Intel, but luckily they’re minor additions like ML based noise reduction
In other words tasks that "AI" is actually good for, not attempting to generate your music or apply some kind of "magic filter".
Also subtitling with whisper, which is awesome
I've long been hoping for a FOSS alternative to Garage Band. I think LMMS is the closest but it lacks live music recording, its UI is miserable, and the last release was 2020. It would be great if someone could merge Audacity and LMMS.
This is pretty high on my list of coding projects that I would support if I didn't need to spend most of my time serving capital.
Damn that looks clean.
All the changes seem awesome, looking forward to trying out version 4
I wonder what happened to it's forks, Tenacity & Audacium
I remember that there was an issue with mainline audicity, like they put malware in it or something? And that’s why it was forked?
Audacity UI has looked basically the same since the first time I used the app in 2006
(Based on the screenshot only) Where's the menu gone?
Screenshot from macos, so I assume in the top bar
Thanks. I tend to worry with redesigns these days.
I’ve actually switched to Ocenaudio for what little I do and have been happy.
It's not open source, sadly...