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China woos top foreign talent as US closes the door (www.semafor.com)
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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Friend of mine was dating a neuroscience PhD in Syndey, Australia. When they met, he was near flat broke and moved in just to help defray the cost of rent.

A couple years later, he was approached by a Chinese recruiter that offered him a $2M signing bonus and a $1.5M salary to move to Tsinghua University and join their $10M/year neuroscience program. They literally don't know what to do with all the money and mostly continue to live these modest lives with comically oversized bank accounts. He gets to play with cutting edge equipment alongside a sizeable staff. She takes care of a small house in the country and raises bunnies for fun.

[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Whatever you do, don’t ask them to talk about the government haha.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Also true of the US and UK right now.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

"hur durr your country also bad"

We can make fun of multiple authoritarian countries at once thank you. It dilutes the point to toss it in every single time with those specifics.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

The OP to me was framing it in a way that "China Bad", and that sort of thought terminating rhetoric is what gets us into terrible situations in the first place.

Calling out that two western "bastions" of democracy like the US and UK are going through similar struggles right now, re-frames the comment to show how silly calling out China for this as if western countries don't also have their flavor of the same thing, really is.

Every country has their problems. Saying China doesn't let you say bad things about China so that's why you shouldn't live in a country that pays for your healthcare, ensures its people aren't starving, has a great educational system, amazing public transportation, is investing heavily in STEM, and is paying a wild salary rate while you're there; is just a silly comment because there's a lot of countries that don't let you do that now, with more popping up every day.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago

The UK has never been a bastion of democracy. Lmfao. They still have a house of lords for Christ's sake.

is just a silly comment because there's a lot of countries that don't let you do that now, with more popping up every day.

It's not a silly comment. You shouldn't move to fascist countries, period, nor give them an edge. No one should support fascism. How is that hard to understand?

China for this as if western countries don't also have their flavor of the same thing, really is.

while it is trending there in 2(two) of the "western" countries, china is there. Don't support places that are fascist. Don't move to places that are fascist. With democracy dead in the states, avoid it, don't move there, don't support it. Avoid buying products from fascist countries. Avoid buying their oil.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Kinda, I can say Trump is a child fucker and Xi sucks Pooh cock online, and I (or my family) won’t be thrown into a jail cell.

For now… at least.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Can't say anything about freeing Palestine in the UK or you'll get arrested though.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I can say Trump is a child fucker

You can scream it into a paper bag, sure.

But good luck keeping your job as a host on The View or a special investigator at the FBI.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why is the MAGA administration so hell bent on pushing China to the top as the global power?

I understand that Cluater B is going to Cluster B, that is how their wiring works. But why is everyone else around Trump supporting this agenda that only weakens and demeans the United States?

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Something you need to understand about the Americans here is that they're not some scheming rats planning the most optimal way of bringing their autocratic future to bear through some hyperdimensional game of chess. They are idiots, all of them, with zero foresight, just reacting to things in impulsive, corrupt ways. The most foresight they have is displayed when they short stocks.

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

By design.

2016 Trump wrecked the US under Putins orders.

2025 Trump is wrecking the US in spite for losing in 2020.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

What is best for the public is not necessarily what is best for the ruling class.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 points 21 hours ago

Sure, but as Americans how do they benefit from China rising to the top?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump is hell bent on accelerating China's way to the top.
Except in many aspects they are no longer on the way, they are already there, so what Trump is doing, is also helping China increase their lead.
Many think China is still just a low level production hub for the world. But the reality is that China is already outsourcing production to neighboring countries, and China is now among the world leaders in 8 out of 10 key industries for the future, unmatched by any other country or EU.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

They just have so many people. They could replace entire major foreign industries and still have people left over.

Couple that with a government willing to do whatever infrastructure and monitary policy and you end up with a ton of growth.

The US may have just had a corporate takeover and will end probably end up looking more like China or Russia going forward.

There are a lot of natural resources here and if you're not particularly concerned with the local environment or economy, you could probably get a lot done.

I also can't imagine a future without China having the largest consumer class going forward and that probably represents a valuable market.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

They just have so many people.

Yes more than USA and EU combined, but it used to not help much, because they were so far behind. The progress for the past half century is really remarkable by any standard.

Couple that with a government willing to do whatever infrastructure and monetary policy

China has absolutely been killing it on developing infrastructure and education for half a century.
But despite that, authoritarian states, like dictatorships and the 1 party system of China belong to, usually never has that or really can leverage it even if they have decent policies. Because it usually turns out to be a matter of working for the oligarchs, and working for the oligarchs is generally little different than working for the Mafia, and that stifles development. But somehow they've made it work in China.

if you’re not particularly concerned with the local environment or economy, you could probably get a lot done.

In some regards they are doing more for the environment than USA. I'm not sure what you mean by not caring about the economy, because they absolutely do. But they have a different perspective on it that seems more like Europe than American. I think what EU is to USA is what China is to Europe in that regard. In China they look more at the big picture, while USA is very focused on the money here and now.

going forward and that probably represents a valuable market.

They already do, in many respects China is already the biggest market, in for instance Mobile phones, Electric vehicles, housing etc. China is already by far the biggest market. And for instance apart from Apple and Samsung being number 1 and 2, China has the next 8 biggest phone makers in the world, and Huawei actually was #1 at a point, until USA prevented them from using Android and the best chips.

What I'm really curious about is the coming mega projects China will probably be able to do, that will potentially far exceed what any other country is capable of. This can be both in engineering and science.
USA did the atom bomb, integrated circuits, moon landing, Internet, and was a leader of democracy for making democracy the most popular form of governance.
No doubt USA has had a historically huge impact on modern civilization, and I suspect we will see similar things from China in the future. Hopefully not so much like the Atom bomb, but more all the other stuff.