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Taiwan pressured to move 50% of chip production to US or lose protection (arstechnica.com)
submitted 3 days ago by 666@lemmygrad.ml to c/news@hexbear.net
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"What's natural for Taiwan is we produce 95 percent" and "we feel great about it," Lutnick said, conceding that "you can imagine when someone has 95 percent, convincing them that they should only have 50 percent. That's a lot" to lose.

But "Donald Trump would say it's not healthy for you or healthy for us because we protect you, and for us to protect you," then "you need to help us achieve… reasonable self-sufficiency," Lutnick argued.

To close the deal with Taiwan, Lutnick suggested that the US would offer "some kind of security guarantee" so that "they can expect" that moving their supply chain into the US won't eliminate Taiwan's so-called "silicon shield," where countries like the US are willing to protect Taiwan because "we need their silicon, their chips, so badly."

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 79 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If you move that production to the US there's no need for the US to "protect" Taiwan anymore as they have what they want within their borders.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

"Denuclearize and we won't have any reason to threaten you!"

[–] somename@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Well, not quite. The US would still have a very good reason to concentrate attention in Taiwan. The issue for them is that it wouldn't be in any of their interest. It would be purely to serve as a staging ground for anti-China excursions and operations. A logistics hub and military base.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago

As I'm sure you know but it's worth stating explicitly: moving so much chip production from Taiwan to the US would also make the US much more inclined to actually make use of Taiwan militarily rather than just use it to posture Cold War style, because they have much less to fear from Taiwan being attacked and even overtaken by China.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

Ahh yes that's a fair assessment. In fact, ethnic han Chinese that are US-aligned are probably extremely valuable for the purposes of operations to disrupt China.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The US doesn't have the infrastructure or the control over industry to have significant semiconductor movement from Taiwan (PRC territory). As has happened with all other semiconductor pipedreams in western liberal nations, it will crash with the reality of immediate profits and stock value growth vs huge capital investment in a heavily capital intensive sector. It simply cannot happen, and if it's attempted, it will be the crash of global semiconductor industry

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago

Oh I'm not saying it can do it. Just saying that if it could do it, it would not be good for Taiwan.

The equipment isn't even the main issue. The biggest issue is they do not have the educated and skilled workers for it. You can't just make 50% of the people in this industry move country, will never happen.

Building the skillsets that have developed in Taiwan over decades of the industry's growth in a completely different country is not a simple task.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 66 points 3 days ago

Do nothing, reunite China some-controversy

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 62 points 3 days ago (2 children)

lol at some point we have to acknowledge the reality of JDPON Don

[–] Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 days ago

The people pushing for unification with the mainland were just handed a gift.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 48 points 3 days ago

To be honest, Taiwan should just call the bluff. There's no way that the US could feasibly withdraw protection from Taiwan. It's a critical piece in the empires dreams of dismantling China. It's impossible really, but it would be only more so without the foothold that Taiwan offers.

[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The usa, where allies are just enemies you attack by other means.

[–] hedd616@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

always have been, but I must admit that not even McArthur would go such places

[–] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You do not under any circumstances "gotta hand it" to the guy who wanted to drop 50 nukes so he could win the Korean War

[–] hedd616@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Overachiever sociopath is a thing, no one dares to deny

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

Any smart capitalist will just call Xi and set up a reunification celebration date

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

real game theory patriots are in control

lmao

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 3 days ago

like from not even like any materialist perspective but from purely a "hot-couch" perspective why the fuck would Taiwan want to give up any of it's manufacturing capabilities in exchange for protections that have failed to manifest for the country actively in a proxy war? Not only that, but any workers sent over there have a non-zero chance of being deported by some rural fuck-up in a balaclava and tactikool vest to Swaziland. Like what even is the mindset here?

[–] VibeCoder@hexbear.net 37 points 3 days ago

Imagine if China publicly treated Texas like its colony

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 3 days ago

"Ok. I'll go hang out with the people not threatening me."

I don't think these idiots understand the US needs Taiwan. Not really the other way around. I think they've been huffing too many of their own farts.

[–] leafperson@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

dementia play, trying to further the narrative that their imperialism is actually generosity but they fired all the useful removeds who knew how to do that shit and all they've got left is Trumps musings, turns out [absurd lie] in a lingerie trenchcoat might not be the play Trump thinks it is.

who am I kidding, I'm sure r/conservative is underestimating the dependency on Taiwan right now (while simultaneously overestimating it) so they can justify this stunt.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 3 days ago

This is definitely something that can be done in 3 years. Lmao

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago

Taiwan will get the Ukraine protection plan

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago

Like somebody said, this is a racket, huh.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

Cutting half of the reliable jobs in an island is surely going to go well

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Trump trying out Juche while sacrificing Taiwan to China.

(Taiwan has no good option here, but sending chip production to the US is the worse one)

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Taiwan has no good option here

Ignore America and do nothing, PRC is not going to invade Taiwan.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago

I feel like if the US completely stopped it's Taiwan meddling, the chances of peaceful merger go up significantly, which is bad for the political entity Taiwan even if it's good for the people living in it.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

Ironically north Korea will almost certainly become a tech powerhouse capable of advanced chip fabrication long before the US ever will

[–] mayakovsky@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

sopranos-poker